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[texasmr2]

So Toyota had a great nose it was crap from there all the way back.

[cap-dude]

Its still pretty Ironic that the team that made all the allgeations about Spying and stealing parts, now have a near exact copy of Toyotas nose cone

[7UpJordan]

No ones noticed yet then.
Look at the Toyota F1 car from 2007. Then at the front of the new ferrari

They look similar for sure, but given Toyota's Formula One cars are as aerodynamic as something Fred Flintstone would drive, I'm not sure we can read too much into that!

So that's why the Toyotas were so slow off the start line, Trulli and Ralf having to actually run to get the car moving.

[McLaren Fan]

No ones noticed yet then.
Look at the Toyota F1 car from 2007. Then at the front of the new ferrari

They look similar for sure, but given Toyota's Formula One cars are as aerodynamic as something Fred Flintstone would drive, I'm not sure we can read too much into that!

So that's why the Toyotas were so slow off the start line, Trulli and Ralf having to actually run to get the car moving.

That would also explain why Ralf was slower, for Trulli is into all this fitness stuff - remember that picture of him in spandex posted by somebody on here!?

[darwin dali]

Its still pretty Ironic that the team that made all the allgeations about Spying and stealing parts, now have a near exact copy of Toyotas nose cone

You still don't get the difference between illegal spying and legitimate copying (from looking at it, taking pictures legally, etc.)

[racechick]

Being given stuff by a pissed of employee isnt spying! You still dont get it do you

[darwin dali]

Cap-dude used spying, so I used the same term to make it easier for him to understand. You, however, may substitute spying with illegally obtaining and using

[cap-dude]

Darwin. I think you missed my real point.
I'm just saying how much the F2008 looks like Toyots TF107. Thats all. Of course theres no spying crap going.

[darwin dali]

Darwin. I think you missed my real point.
I'm just saying how much the F2008 looks like Toyots TF107. Thats all. Of course theres no spying crap going.

Ok, just wanted to make sure that your insinuations were just that...

[bolow]

what a dog of a car, it vile just like ferriar

[texasmr2]

what a dog of a car, it vile just like ferriar

FYI it's Ferrari not ferriar . Open your mind grasshopper dont let your bias toward's one team and/or one driver cloud your judgement toward's all the other team's no matter who they are.

[McLaren Fan]

From autosport.com:

Massa: F2008 addresses '07 weaknesses

By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, January 16th 2008, 12:30 GMT

Felipe Massa, Ferrari, Jerez testingFelipe Massa is sure that Ferrari have made a step forward with their F2008, after claiming that the car has improved in the areas where its predecessor was weak.

The longer wheelbase F2007 struggled last year against rivals McLaren on the tighter, slower circuits, and the team's decision to shorten their car for 2008 is aimed at addressing this area.

Speaking during a break in testing at Jerez in Spain, Massa said that early impressions of the car were that it was just as good as the F2007 in quick corners, but much better in the slower bends.

"The car is definitely good for me: we've made a step forward especially in the slow corners," said Massa. "As for the quick corners, the car is pretty good as it was last year too. So I think we've improved the car a bit in that aspect.

"With this car it's a bit easier to be without traction control. We had a good feeling on the kerbs at the chicane here, so I'm happy from the start about the car's balance. We didn't have to work so much on the car to get good lap times, so it's definitely positive."

Despite his optimism about the improvements, Massa still thinks it is too early to say with confidence that the car will have no weak areas - and that the true verdict on the job the team have done will only come in Australia.

"I think at the moment we haven't seen weak points on the cars," he said.

"Obviously we'll find some if we aren't ahead at the first race, but at the moment we're on the right track.

"Not only we are running consistent laps without problems on the car, but we are also setting good lap times.

"So at the moment we are happy but not content yet: we still need to work to be even quicker at the first race."

Given McLaren have made their real base slightly longer and that Ferrari have shortened theirs slightly, I think both teams will have produced better all round cars. I don't believe we'll have a situation akin to last season whereby McLaren were the favourites for the tighter tracks and Ferrari the favourites on the faster tracks, that's assuming McLaren and Ferrari will be battling it out of course.

[f1ea]

I don't believe we'll have a situation akin to last season whereby McLaren were the favourites for the tighter tracks and Ferrari the favourites on the faster tracks, that's assuming McLaren and Ferrari will be battling it out of course.

Yes, last year difference was really noticeable. Even though at the end of the season Mclaren seemed to reduce the gap in those faster tracks.

Right now testing times look really close between MCL and Ferrari... so for me i hope the fight is close; the one '?' to me is whether Heikki is able to adapt quickly to the MP w/ the new regulations.

[7UpJordan]

The Motorsport News newspaper don't seem impressed with the rear of the Ferrari, they do make a good point though that the amount of fins, flaps etc plastered onto the cars today is getting out of hand, but this is something a lot of people - myself included - have been thinking for a while.

[McLaren Fan]

The Motorsport News newspaper don't seem impressed with the rear of the Ferrari, they do make a good point though that the amount of fins, flaps etc plastered onto the cars today is getting out of hand, but this is something a lot of people - myself included - have been thinking for a while.

You can live with barge boards and the odd fin or something, but things have got totally out of hand. It's a scandal how the FIA are dealing with the issue, which is making overtaking impossible. Mosley has got it all wrong, again. We don't need his fancy measures, which will cost money, something he's supposed to be against. The solution is far more rudimentary. In my view, is bring back slicks and make them wide, but make them harder so less marbles come off them. Also, make the cars slightly wider. That way, the focus will be placed on mechanical grip, which should make up for the loss in aerodynamic grip, and the harder slicks will mean less marbles so drivers could take risks by going off line to overtake, certainly in the earlier stages of the race.