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#294289
turn 3 will be the hot spot


Considering the start-finish straight zone didn't seem long enough last year, this could well be the case. Turn 3 is usually the hot spot though, DRS or not.
#294292
I am so excited for this season! Can't wait to see how the cars perform tomorrow, the new drivers, a whole new battle for the title... oh, how I missed F1. The only problem is Jaime will be missing :( does anyone know what kind of job will he be doing on BBC's live team? I thought he was taking part in some kind of radio broadcast, but they've put up a video in their website with Jaime alongside Eddie and Jake, so I'm not sure. Oh well, hopefully by 2013 Jaime (and Robert!) are already back in the game :)

As for this weekend, go Jenson! Start the season with a win :)
#294294
2 DRS zones? Must be double the good news for a certain team....

Mercedes pioneers new legal F-duct, rivals set to copy

F-ducts are set to make a return to Formula One this year as teams look to copy a new passive, and legal, design being pioneered by Mercedes.

Driver-operated F-ducts first appeared in 2010 when McLaren debuted a system that stalled the rear wing and increased its car's top speed. The concept was quickly copied by most of the other teams on the grid before being ruled illegal for 2011.

Some teams assumed that ruling meant all forms of F-duct were banned, but the new Mercedes features a passive system on the rear wing working in conjunction with the Drag Reduction System to boost top speed. FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting said he could see nothing wrong with the new system despite some queries from Mercedes' rivals.

"Some teams are questioning it [the Mercedes system] on the basis that they thought F-ducts were banned, but F-ducts are not banned," he said. "At the end of 2010 everyone was using driver-operated F-ducts and the regulations were changed specifically to ban the use of driver movement to induce aerodynamic performance in the car.

"That got rid of that generation of so-called F-ducts - I'm still not sure why they were ever called F-ducts, but let's call it a generic area of development. The thing with last year is engineers were unable to unlearn things and they wanted to try and get the same effect by different means and they talked about allowing opening and closing a duct by having interaction with the suspension and we said no you can't do that because it's not the primary purpose of a suspension system.

"There was a lengthily discussion in the TWG at the beginning of last year about that to make sure everyone was clear about it. It seems that a couple of people left that meeting with the impression that F-ducts were therefore banned in general, but not every F-duct is."

However, Whiting could not go into details on how the DRS-activated system works.

"What it appears some teams are doing is, when the DRS is operated, it will allow air to pass through a duct and do other things. That's all I can really say. It's completely passive, there are no moving parts in it, it doesn't interact with the suspension, no steering, nothing. Therefore, I can't see any rule that prohibits it. There is a school of thought that F-ducts are banned, but we simply cannot ban whatever an F-duct is."

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said rival teams would be forced to create their own systems if it proves to be a big performance differentiator at the first grand prix this weekend.

"The intent of the regulation was to eliminate the use of F-ducts," he said. "If a team has found a creative solution to circumnavigate that rule then that's ultimately down to the FIA. Inevitably if a team has found a route around then it's a route that other teams will have to follow and obviously there is cost involved in that. The question is probably better posed to the FIA than to us. We're not totally aware of what the other teams are doing at the moment."

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A DRS activated F-duct. Bet all the other teams were like "F*** why didn't we think of that!?"
#294297
A couple of years prior, in fact maybe just one, and that would've been a whole re-start.


10 years prior and those drivers wouldn't be running back to the pits.
#294299
2 DRS zones? Must be double the good news for a certain team....

Mercedes pioneers new legal F-duct, rivals set to copy

F-ducts are set to make a return to Formula One this year as teams look to copy a new passive, and legal, design being pioneered by Mercedes.

Driver-operated F-ducts first appeared in 2010 when McLaren debuted a system that stalled the rear wing and increased its car's top speed. The concept was quickly copied by most of the other teams on the grid before being ruled illegal for 2011.

Some teams assumed that ruling meant all forms of F-duct were banned, but the new Mercedes features a passive system on the rear wing working in conjunction with the Drag Reduction System to boost top speed. FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting said he could see nothing wrong with the new system despite some queries from Mercedes' rivals.

"Some teams are questioning it [the Mercedes system] on the basis that they thought F-ducts were banned, but F-ducts are not banned," he said. "At the end of 2010 everyone was using driver-operated F-ducts and the regulations were changed specifically to ban the use of driver movement to induce aerodynamic performance in the car.

"That got rid of that generation of so-called F-ducts - I'm still not sure why they were ever called F-ducts, but let's call it a generic area of development. The thing with last year is engineers were unable to unlearn things and they wanted to try and get the same effect by different means and they talked about allowing opening and closing a duct by having interaction with the suspension and we said no you can't do that because it's not the primary purpose of a suspension system.

"There was a lengthily discussion in the TWG at the beginning of last year about that to make sure everyone was clear about it. It seems that a couple of people left that meeting with the impression that F-ducts were therefore banned in general, but not every F-duct is."

However, Whiting could not go into details on how the DRS-activated system works.

"What it appears some teams are doing is, when the DRS is operated, it will allow air to pass through a duct and do other things. That's all I can really say. It's completely passive, there are no moving parts in it, it doesn't interact with the suspension, no steering, nothing. Therefore, I can't see any rule that prohibits it. There is a school of thought that F-ducts are banned, but we simply cannot ban whatever an F-duct is."

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said rival teams would be forced to create their own systems if it proves to be a big performance differentiator at the first grand prix this weekend.

"The intent of the regulation was to eliminate the use of F-ducts," he said. "If a team has found a creative solution to circumnavigate that rule then that's ultimately down to the FIA. Inevitably if a team has found a route around then it's a route that other teams will have to follow and obviously there is cost involved in that. The question is probably better posed to the FIA than to us. We're not totally aware of what the other teams are doing at the moment."

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A DRS activated F-duct. Bet all the other teams were like "F*** why didn't we think of that!?"


I had a feeling whatever Merc was hiding had something to do with speed. Last season, Mercedes had the fastest car on the grid in a straight line (see: Lewis couldn't pass Schumi at the high speed Monza circuit).

How much advantage will it give the Mercs? They'll reign on both defence and attack on the straights but what about through the corners? Hopefully other teams will have this copied by Malaysia and/or China, such is the copycat development race that is Formula 1.

Merc are probably like, "Yes! We've got it in the bag until Malaysia or China! Then, er, we'll back in 3rd of 4th place." :P

Where did you get this info by the way, mate?
#294302
Hello folks, long time lurker here that has decided to join the fun! I am very excited for this year, hoping for a more even playing field. Anyong else going to be watching the practice later on to try and get a better scope on the cars relative to each other?
#294306
I am so excited for this season! Can't wait to see how the cars perform tomorrow, the new drivers, a whole new battle for the title... oh, how I missed F1. The only problem is Jaime will be missing :( does anyone know what kind of job will he be doing on BBC's live team? I thought he was taking part in some kind of radio broadcast, but they've put up a video in their website with Jaime alongside Eddie and Jake, so I'm not sure. Oh well, hopefully by 2013 Jaime (and Robert!) are already back in the game :)

As for this weekend, go Jenson! Start the season with a win :)


IRC He is on Radio 5 with James Allen
#294307
Hello folks, long time lurker here that has decided to join the fun! I am very excited for this year, hoping for a more even playing field. Anyong else going to be watching the practice later on to try and get a better scope on the cars relative to each other?


Welcome to the Forum mate :-)
#294308
Hello folks, long time lurker here that has decided to join the fun! I am very excited for this year, hoping for a more even playing field. Anyong else going to be watching the practice later on to try and get a better scope on the cars relative to each other?


Welcome, pal! :):wavey:
#294316
Hello folks, long time lurker here that has decided to join the fun! I am very excited for this year, hoping for a more even playing field. Anyong else going to be watching the practice later on to try and get a better scope on the cars relative to each other?


Harzaar! :drink:
#294323

I had a feeling whatever Merc was hiding had something to do with speed. Last season, Mercedes had the fastest car on the grid in a straight line (see: Lewis couldn't pass Schumi at the high speed Monza circuit).

How much advantage will it give the Mercs? They'll reign on both defence and attack on the straights but what about through the corners? Hopefully other teams will have this copied by Malaysia and/or China, such is the copycat development race that is Formula 1.

Merc are probably like, "Yes! We've got it in the bag until Malaysia or China! Then, er, we'll back in 3rd of 4th place." :P

Where did you get this info by the way, mate?


espnf1. One of the quickest sites to come out with news I feel.

And yep, Merc are bent on speed aren't they. They had the most versions of the DRS rear wing in 2011, you sometimes wonder if they focus a bit too much on that instead of generating brainwaves on downforce solutions. Ah well, we'll see how smart they are in Melbourne.
#294325

I had a feeling whatever Merc was hiding had something to do with speed. Last season, Mercedes had the fastest car on the grid in a straight line (see: Lewis couldn't pass Schumi at the high speed Monza circuit).

How much advantage will it give the Mercs? They'll reign on both defence and attack on the straights but what about through the corners? Hopefully other teams will have this copied by Malaysia and/or China, such is the copycat development race that is Formula 1.

Merc are probably like, "Yes! We've got it in the bag until Malaysia or China! Then, er, we'll back in 3rd of 4th place." :P

Where did you get this info by the way, mate?


espnf1. One of the quickest sites to come out with news I feel.


Cool, thanks. I'll have to check that out. :)
#294387
Only a few more hours and it STARTS!!! :clap::clap::clap:


I haven't been this excited for P1 in a long time! :bouncy1:
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