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Are Ferrari playing dumb?

Yes
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No
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46%
Hopefully
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Hopefully not
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#293449
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali has admitted he is feeling the pressure after his team's difficult pre-season testing campaign, but says no conclusions should be drawn about the order at the front of the grid until after the first four races of the season.

Ferrari struggled to understand its new car during testing, as the F2012 showed positive signs over one-lap but was inconsistent over longer runs. After two years starting on the back foot, Ferrari was hoping for a strong start to 2012 and president Luca di Montezemolo is hoping for a quick turnaround following testing.

"I've got pressure on my back, which is as it should be," Domenicali said. "I am not the one who designs the car: my task is to give my people everything they need in terms of organisation and structure. Having said that, I am very much aware of my responsibilities. There is pressure, but I feel the support of the whole team and of president Montezemolo."

Asked if there was panic at Ferrari, he responded: "There is none of this, just an awareness of where we stand. We have been realistic when communicating about the problems we have had, because transparency is part of the way I go about things. The lack of satisfaction comes from the fact we did not meet our technical targets and so everything refers to ourselves. Where we are compared to the others, we do not know for certain and our lack of satisfaction might also turn out to be excessive. Having said this, a clearer picture of the hierarchy on track will only emerge after the first four races."

Domenicali said Ferrari's main problem had been with its exhaust layout, which it had to change at the final two tests to bring the exhaust pipes further inboard. He said the original design was still being worked on and would be reintroduced to the car at the Mugello test after the fourth race.

"We had asked our engineers for an extreme car, because without that, we would have been unable to close the gap to the best," he added. "The first configuration of the exhausts showed good potential, but it caused problems: the tyres overheated and the performance was unstable. Therefore we had to change, even if I certainly was not happy about it. We are still working on the original set up, but we will be unable to test it until the Mugello test at the beginning of May, because we believe it could give us a good performance advantage."

Domenicali admitted Ferrari is still struggling with the shift from track testing to CFD and wind tunnel work - an area he admits his team is still lacking in.

"In 2010, we began a new technical cycle: important steps were taken in terms of the organisation and working methodology and here I'm thinking mainly about the areas of simulation and strategy," he said. "Aerodynamics is not yet at an adequate level: it's not easy finding the right people, but this has to be a stimulus for those who work for us. I tell you this as someone who experienced the Schumacher era first hand and I recall how much we suffered before getting there. Ferrari will be back with another winning cycle as the basics are in place to achieve it.

"This year, Red Bull again starts out in front. McLaren is on form, Mercedes has taken a step forward and Lotus is looking strong, but they also began well last year. Toro Rosso and Force India also seem good, especially on a flying lap. So there might be some surprises at the start and then the situation will settle down but I expect everyone to be much closer to each other than in 2011."

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Maybe the Oscars are something to fall back on in case they miss the WDC this year.

OR, they could really be in trouble. I made a poll which lasts 7 days...so we could see who are the best readers into 'interviews in the off season'.
#293451
Isn't this just the normal kind of stuff that goes on before every season? I'm sure Ferrari will be there or there abouts by the first race... :wink:
#293456
Isn't this just the normal kind of stuff that goes on before every season? I'm sure Ferrari will be there or there abouts by the first race... :wink:


It is indeed but because it is Ferrari we have to bash them extra hard. :rolleyes:

They are making far too much of the whole "we're in trouble" thing. I'm not buying it, but the first race will tell us who's where.
#293463
All this care about what's happening at mia Scuderia, I think Hammer is in danger of actually becoming a Tifosi :)

It was only a short time ago that SF were being accused of orchestrating a glory run to mask how much trouble they were in. Now people are postulating that they have been to acting classes to cover up some magical performance.

Teams don't bother with this sort of thing. Obviously they don't want to give away exactly where they are in terms of performance until they are racing, but they don't act out elaborate scripts. It's the same as the "sandbagging" concept.

Ferrari's performance and what they are saying is probably what it is. They really don't know where they stand relative to other teams and they had a massive work load (inherently obvious with a radically new car) and they didn't test everything they wanted. Some parts didn't work they way they thought.

The fact of the matter is no-one can say where the cars are relative to each other (if anyone has got it right it will be a lucky guess IMO). But we don't have long to wait. Saturday morning, 3rd practice, will be when we get to see true relative performance. After the race on Sunday we might have a little idea on "pecking order".

The only thing I'm sure of, is that, where ever Ferrari stands, the F2012 will make large gains in performance over the next few races. And that will simply be the result of them understanding the car.
#293465
Isn't this just the normal kind of stuff that goes on before every season? I'm sure Ferrari will be there or there abouts by the first race... :wink:


It is indeed but because it is Ferrari we have to bash them extra hard. :rolleyes:


If you don't like the topic, you're welcome to refrain from posting in it. Just saying, you have that option. :wink:


All this care about what's happening at mia Scuderia, I think Hammer is in danger of actually becoming a Tifosi :)

It was only a short time ago that SF were being accused of orchestrating a glory run to mask how much trouble they were in. Now people are postulating that they have been to acting classes to cover up some magical performance.

Teams don't bother with this sort of thing. Obviously they don't want to give away exactly where they are in terms of performance until they are racing, but they don't act out elaborate scripts. It's the same as the "sandbagging" concept.

Ferrari's performance and what they are saying is probably what it is. They really don't know where they stand relative to other teams and they had a massive work load (inherently obvious with a radically new car) and they didn't test everything they wanted. Some parts didn't work they way they thought.

The fact of the matter is no-one can say where the cars are relative to each other (if anyone has got it right it will be a lucky guess IMO). But we don't have long to wait. Saturday morning, 3rd practice, will be when we get to see true relative performance. After the race on Sunday we might have a little idea on "pecking order".

The only thing I'm sure of, is that, where ever Ferrari stands, the F2012 will make large gains in performance over the next few races. And that will simply be the result of them understanding the car.


I understand I'm paying a lot more attention to Ferrari's comments than I normally do, but I always expect McLaren and Ferrari to come out trumps from Race 1. Of course due to the newcomer, we have 3 teams now at the helm and it seems Ferrari might not be there at Race 1. I assure you I'd do the same if it were McLaren or Redbull in this situation. :D
#293466
Isn't this just the normal kind of stuff that goes on before every season? I'm sure Ferrari will be there or there abouts by the first race... :wink:


It is indeed but because it is Ferrari we have to bash them extra hard. :rolleyes:


If you don't like the topic, you're welcome to refrain from posting in it. Just saying, you have that option. :wink:


I never said I don't like the topic, just said that I don't buy what Ferrari are saying. It is a fact that Ferrari to attract a huge amount of hate on forums like these.

The thing with internet forums is the danger of someone disagreeeing with you. It's a new phenomena that we will all just have to get used to I fear.
#293468
To make it clear for you, this topic is in no way bashing Ferrari. Simply a gathering of opinions of what Ferrari's true 'status' is. Some people think it's a fake. Some people think they are indeed in trouble. So I figured a poll would make it some harmless fun 1 week before the actual race weekend when we will find out. Hopefully this is okay with you.
#293469
Don't know for sure, but I do have inside info that Mercedes are looking very strong, much stronger than last year and possibly closer to the very front than anyone else...
#293470
Ferrari and McLaren, can and often do come from behind, (from a manufacturing standpoint) that's not the case with the rest of the constructors on the grid. It's infinitely easier to be ahead and stay ahead than it is to come from behind.
#293471
One of Ferrari's technical staff brought up a good point - remember last season? McLaren were diabolical in pre-season testing but Lewis Hamilton ended up finishing a very competent second behind Vettel. He even had a broken under-tray and still finished. In a car that was considered to be mega unreliable? Quite a turn around.

The same thing could happen to Ferrari (although I hope it doesn't since I'm a huge McLaren fan). The only difference is, last year, in-between the last test and the first practice session for Oz, McLaren built a new, simplified exhaust for their car. Ferrari will have to do something similar to compete.

Most people say Ferrari are currently the fifth-fastest team behind Red Bull, McLaren, Lotus and Mercedes. Of course, yes, Ferrari could be sand-bagging. But all of the front-running teams are. They're sand-bagging by not doing any low fuel runs in testing.
Ferrari's version of sand-bagging seems to be not understanding their car and making sure their driver's don't talk to the press. I wouldn't call that sand-bagging, I'd call it being unprepared.
#293472
Don't know for sure, but I do have inside info that Mercedes are looking very strong, much stronger than last year and possibly closer to the very front than anyone else...


There are reports circulating about the possibility of them having an F-duct stlye device for the front wing. Combined with DRS this is rumoured to give a pretty decent speed advantage.

I don't think that Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari or Mercedes have shown their true outright pace and get the feeling that all four were holding back a bit during testing. Ferrari and Mercedes to a much greater extent than Red Bull and McLaren.
#293476
Don't know for sure, but I do have inside info that Mercedes are looking very strong, much stronger than last year and possibly closer to the very front than anyone else...


There are reports circulating about the possibility of them having an F-duct stlye device for the front wing. Combined with DRS this is rumoured to give a pretty decent speed advantage.

I don't think that Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari or Mercedes have shown their true outright pace and get the feeling that all four were holding back a bit during testing. Ferrari and Mercedes to a much greater extent than Red Bull and McLaren.


I agree. Ross Brawn said that, "Externally, the car is very conventional".

I think Mercedes have something under the bodywork that's going to give them an advantage. And as much as I'm a massive Hamilton fan, I'd love to see Nico Rosberg get some race wins. Schumacher? Not so much.

Okay, maybe 9 more wins for Schumi so he can get to 100 race wins in his career. :bouncy1:
#293477
Well all I can tell you is that I know people who work in CAD and manufacturing for Mercedes and they are very very confident at the moment, much more so than last year. Indeed one of them is saying that I should stick £50 in them to win the WCC at 28-1... I'm not as confident as that, because as others have said, no doubt everyone else is sandbagging, and the people from Mercedes won't know everything that the other frontrunners will have up their sleeves, but it does tell me that they're very confident about their own car.
#293478
Well all I can tell you is that I know people who work in CAD and manufacturing for Mercedes and they are very very confident at the moment, much more so than last year. Indeed one of them is saying that I should stick £50 in them to win the WCC at 28-1... I'm not as confident as that, because as others have said, no doubt everyone else is sandbagging, and the people from Mercedes won't know everything that the other frontrunners will have up their sleeves, but it does tell me that they're very confident about their own car.


I think Red Bull are being underestimated.

I think they'll win it all again this year, with Vettel the third-ever three-in-a-row champion. I don't want it to happen because I'm of course rooting for McLaren but I'm just trying to think realisitcally. Yes, McLaren are closer than last year, but I think that they're still not outright faster than Red Bull.

Another question - who'll be faster in the race over quali and vice-versa? Ferrari might be one of those.
#293481

The only thing I'm sure of, is that, where ever Ferrari stands, the F2012 will make large gains in performance over the next few races. And that will simply be the result of them understanding the car.


Not if they start to understand it and it dawns on them that the car is a dud...

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