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#293143
OOOOH dear!
#293149
No one here has a time machine as far as I know...

Anyway, news about Melbourne:


There will be two Drag Reduction System (DRS) zones at the opening round of the 2012 season in Australia next weekend.

DRS was introduced at last year's Australian Grand Prix to a mixed reception, but proved to be a valuable overtaking aid at other circuits over the course of the season. In 2011 the system, which allows a chasing car to boost its top speed by changing the angle of its rear wing, could only be used on Albert Park's pit straight, but this year it will be in action at another point on the circuit as well.

"Historically overtaking has been difficult in Melbourne, but this time there will be two DRS zones," Sauber's head of track engineering Giampaolo Dall'Ara revealed.

The 2011 Canadian Grand Prix was the first race to feature two DRS zones, but it effectively acted as one long zone as there was only one detection point. Two separate detection points were introduced at the Italian Grand Prix, meaning drivers that were passed in the first activation zone could fight back in the second zone later in the lap.

The FIA has yet to publish details about the two DRS zones in Melbourne but potential locations for the second zone would be between turns two and three or between turns 12 and 13.

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I thought this year should be an IMPROVEMENT over the DRS' rookie year in 2011? Why are they overdoing this now. :rolleyes:
#293151
OK, while Melbourne isn't a circuit renowned for ample passing opportunities, I don't think it needs two DRS zones. It was clear that the start-finish straight was not long enough to produce effective DRS results last year, so if it was me, I'd put the DRS zone in between Waite and Ascari, or maybe even after the Clarke chicane, which would provide us with some bold and exciting moves into the Turn 11/12 fast chicane.

Like Hammer has said, this seems to be another experiment, which is what 2011 was meant to be, but I guess the lesson learned from last year is that the start / finish zone didn't produce the goods.

I'm not in favour of 2 zones on any circuit which doesn't need them. And if the two DRS zones are close to each other, such as in Abu Dhabi last year, then the results garnered are rendered redundant.
#293155
I do!

Is it a hot tub?

OK, while Melbourne isn't a circuit renowned for ample passing opportunities, I don't think it needs two DRS zones. It was clear that the start-finish straight was not long enough to produce effective DRS results last year, so if it was me, I'd put the DRS zone in between Waite and Ascari, or maybe even after the Clarke chicane, which would provide us with some bold and exciting moves into the Turn 11/12 fast chicane.

Like Hammer has said, this seems to be another experiment, which is what 2011 was meant to be, but I guess the lesson learned from last year is that the start / finish zone didn't produce the goods.

I'm not in favour of 2 zones on any circuit which doesn't need them. And if the two DRS zones are close to each other, such as in Abu Dhabi last year, then the results garnered are rendered redundant.


I can't imagine promoting overtaking into turn 11/12 to be a good idea, when I was reading your previous post I was thinking between 12/13, I think there's often more attempts between 2/3 (successful or not) so I'm not so sure if it's really needed there although since it's right after the zone on the main straight it could provide the means for someone to strike back straight away.
#293156
I do!

Is it a hot tub?

OK, while Melbourne isn't a circuit renowned for ample passing opportunities, I don't think it needs two DRS zones. It was clear that the start-finish straight was not long enough to produce effective DRS results last year, so if it was me, I'd put the DRS zone in between Waite and Ascari, or maybe even after the Clarke chicane, which would provide us with some bold and exciting moves into the Turn 11/12 fast chicane.

Like Hammer has said, this seems to be another experiment, which is what 2011 was meant to be, but I guess the lesson learned from last year is that the start / finish zone didn't produce the goods.

I'm not in favour of 2 zones on any circuit which doesn't need them. And if the two DRS zones are close to each other, such as in Abu Dhabi last year, then the results garnered are rendered redundant.


I can't imagine promoting overtaking into turn 11/12 to be a good idea, when I was reading your previous post I was thinking between 12/13, I think there's often more attempts between 2/3 (successful or not) so I'm not so sure if it's really needed there although since it's right after the zone on the main straight it could provide the means for someone to strike back straight away.


Yeah, assuming the start-finish straight will be used for Zone 1, then I hope they don't put Zone 2 in the run up to Turn 3. For a start, overtaking happens aplenty there anyway. Secondly, the zones would be too close, and we'd be left with a ridiculous situation of passing and re-passing, as demonstrated in Abu Dhabi.
#293236
I do!

Is it a hot tub?

OK, while Melbourne isn't a circuit renowned for ample passing opportunities, I don't think it needs two DRS zones. It was clear that the start-finish straight was not long enough to produce effective DRS results last year, so if it was me, I'd put the DRS zone in between Waite and Ascari, or maybe even after the Clarke chicane, which would provide us with some bold and exciting moves into the Turn 11/12 fast chicane.

Like Hammer has said, this seems to be another experiment, which is what 2011 was meant to be, but I guess the lesson learned from last year is that the start / finish zone didn't produce the goods.

I'm not in favour of 2 zones on any circuit which doesn't need them. And if the two DRS zones are close to each other, such as in Abu Dhabi last year, then the results garnered are rendered redundant.


I can't imagine promoting overtaking into turn 11/12 to be a good idea, when I was reading your previous post I was thinking between 12/13, I think there's often more attempts between 2/3 (successful or not) so I'm not so sure if it's really needed there although since it's right after the zone on the main straight it could provide the means for someone to strike back straight away.


Yeah, assuming the start-finish straight will be used for Zone 1, then I hope they don't put Zone 2 in the run up to Turn 3. For a start, overtaking happens aplenty there anyway. Secondly, the zones would be too close, and we'd be left with a ridiculous situation of passing and re-passing, as demonstrated in Abu Dhabi.


Remember that DRS is still relatively new so there is still going to some trial and error, albeit to a lesser extent than last season (assuming that lessons have been learnt from 2011).
#293245
Remember that DRS is still relatively new so there is still going to some trial and error, albeit to a lesser extent than last season (assuming that lessons have been learnt from 2011).


We must hope so. Otherwise, the critics will be squawking about it no end.
#293280
Yeah hopefully they'll do better this year. I just watched the replay of abu dhabi on tuesday and I was facepalming so much when people would pass in the first drs zone just to get repassed in the 2nd. totally and completely absurd.
#293282
I think its pretty easy fix,

If you are passed in the first DRS zone by a car behind you that was within the 1 second then when you both reach the 2nd DRS zone and you are within the 1 second barrier of the car that just passed you then you can't activate DRS. Only if you are the car within the 1 second barrier at the first DRS, cannot make the pass stick and therefore get another shot at the 2nd DRS Zone.
#293283
I think its pretty easy fix,

If you are passed in the first DRS zone by a car behind you that was within the 1 second then when you both reach the 2nd DRS zone and you are within the 1 second barrier of the car that just passed you then you can't activate DRS. Only if you are the car within the 1 second barrier at the first DRS, cannot make the pass stick and therefore get another shot at the 2nd DRS Zone.


I agree
#293287
I think its pretty easy fix,

If you are passed in the first DRS zone by a car behind you that was within the 1 second then when you both reach the 2nd DRS zone and you are within the 1 second barrier of the car that just passed you then you can't activate DRS. Only if you are the car within the 1 second barrier at the first DRS, cannot make the pass stick and therefore get another shot at the 2nd DRS Zone.


I was thinking the same thing when I watched that replay. It's a great idea
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