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[8-ball]

Ron Alienated Alonso??? obvious he Alienated himself and was ultimately over him not getting preferential treatment not that Lewis was! and when did Ron declare his support publicly for Lewis? If youre talking about China with the "we" comment well with one race to go do you not think that All of McLarenMercedes would have known Alonso was aGONEso come season end?!

8Ball get the facts McLaren not RON took the Renault charge to the FIA during their final hearing not after the season! It was done in an attempt to test the FIA to say well if we get done youre gonna have to look at all cases with the same vigour! I doubt McLaren would have brought it up if not for their own sanctions.

I am talking about the "we" comment in China. RD always said that as long as both drivers had a chance he would continue to support them he should do that no matter what Alonso's status in the team. Mclaren is headed by RD so what kind of team leader is he if he has no say in appeals they make to the FIA?

[bud]

any other "team leader" would have dumped Alonso after Hungary for the way he was acting!! so i think Ron gave him a very good chance of winning his 3rd title!

what are you on about Rons say in appeals to the FIA? what was wrong with the Renault charge?

[McLaren Fan]

Ron Alienated Alonso??? obvious he Alienated himself and was ultimately over him not getting preferential treatment not that Lewis was! and when did Ron declare his support publicly for Lewis? If youre talking about China with the "we" comment well with one race to go do you not think that All of McLarenMercedes would have known Alonso was aGONEso come season end?

And Alonso refused to get along with members of the team, talking only with his father. That's a good way to make friends.

any other "team leader" would have dumped Alonso after Hungary for the way he was acting!! so i think Ron gave him a very good chance of winning his 3rd title!

Dennis was actually considering keeping Alonso for 2008, just like when he offered Prost a contract for 1994.

[8-ball]

any other "team leader" would have dumped Alonso after Hungary for the way he was acting!! so i think Ron gave him a very good chance of winning his 3rd title!

what are you on about Rons say in appeals to the FIA? what was wrong with the Renault charge?

I am saying Ron made the decision to go to the FIA about Renault and hoping for what? Another $100 million fine? He was already in the FIA bad books and that move didn't help anyone.

[bud]

I am saying Ron made the decision to go to the FIA about Renault and hoping for what? Another $100 million fine? He was already in the FIA bad books and that move didn't help anyone.

Funny that you know the inside workings of the McLaren organisation as im sure the lawyers and Mercedes had nothing to do with the decision making regarding the Renault case?

So 8ball the Ferrari move to go to the FIA about Coughlan and Stepney was alright but when McLaren went to complain about Mackerneth its not ok?

showing your redness there mate

like i said McLaren went forward with the Renault case to test the FIA's resolve on spy scandals as hey they did s*** f*** all with the toyota case so i would want to see how they would react if it were me!!!!

[8-ball]

Funny that you know the inside workings of the McLaren organisation as im sure the lawyers and Mercedes had nothing to do with the decision making regarding the Renault case?

So 8ball the Ferrari move to go to the FIA about Coughlan and Stepney was alright but when McLaren went to complain about Mackerneth its not ok?

showing your redness there mate

like i said McLaren went forward with the Renault case to test the FIA's resolve on spy scandals as hey they did s*** f*** all with the toyota case so i would want to see how they would react if it were me!!!!

If you run a team you have the final say. I'm sure the lawyers all said RD had a case but the decision to go to the FIA is his. I'm not Ferrari fan and don't ever insult me by saying that .

All I am saying is that Mclaren had this info on Renault for ages and bring out at a time when they get slapped with the biggest fine in f1 history. It makes them look like they are seeking revenge for thier "injustice" (depending on how you look at it).

And how come all Mclaren Fans think that RD can do no wrong? That shows you silverness there mate

[bud]

depending on how you look at it, that then depends on how you look at Ron. its obvious like i said McLaren went forward with the Renault case to test the FIA's resolve on spy scandals as hey they did s*** f*** all with the toyota case so i would want to see how they would react if it were me!!!!

and hey im not saying Ron can do no wrong, im just pointing out your anti Ron'nes when youre basing all youre s*** on heirsay and not on facts. Youre only using Ron as a figure head to base your facts on when you do not know the inner workings of McLaren.

[McLaren Fan]

And how come all Mclaren Fans think that RD can do no wrong? That shows you silverness there mate

As I've said countless times on this forum, I'm not denying things could have been done differently at McLaren in 2007 and, as I've said at least once on this forum, before I registered here and this forum even existed, circa 2003 I was critical of a few areas of McLaren's operation, Mercedes' work and Ron Dennis for under performance. Ron Dennis is not perfect, has made a few mistakes, but not very many, and I feel strongly that Ron Dennis has got what it takes to run McLaren for a long time yet.

DD is quick to suggest Ron Dennis should be given the boot at McLaren largely because of last season's spy scandal, but why does he side step events at Ferrari, the ones who began the whole saga? Why was it that Stepney felt so annoyed that he wanted to betray Ferrari?

The truth is people are jealous of Ron Dennis. He started off from the bottom, worked his way up to the very top on merit alone, and turned McLaren from a floundering constructor to one of the greatest marques in motor sport's history within a few years, has his health, money and a loving family.

[darwin dali]

Why was it that Stepney felt so annoyed that he wanted to betray Ferrari?

Because he's a frigging arsehole?

The truth is people are jealous of Ron Dennis. He started off from the bottom, worked his way up to the very top on merit alone, and turned McLaren from a floundering constructor to one of the greatest marques in motor sport's history within a few years, has his health, money and a loving family.

Once upon a time, there was a young carpenter, uh, mechanic who spoke to some rich people. And they gave him a joint (nah, not the 'good' kind ). And he worked wonders, started to walk on water, amassed a following that was totally into him. And his joint grew bigger and bigger (together with his head) and then he joined forces with some big foreign joint. But one day some dark clouds threatened the very existence of his joint - his big old man wasn't happy with his wheeling and dealing and told him no and pruned his burning bush. Some of his joint's competitors even asked for him to be crucified, but his followers sang hosanna and so his big foreign mate bailed him out. And his followers said it is good and sang hallelujah ever after.
You're good at spreading the Gospel of RD - amen!

[bud]

what a waste of time that was reading your post

[racechick]

DD you loosing the plot. You starting to talk poo now!

[darwin dali]

:shock: DD you loosing the plot. You starting to talk poo now!

Ah! And what McLaren Fan wrote is not poo??

The truth is people are jealous of Ron Dennis.

WTF? Truth?
Whatever! After reading that and witnessing the constant RD personality cult that comes oozing out of McLaren followers (bud would call them sheep if I was talking Ferrari, but I'm not), I feel entitled or compelled to present MY version of the story - about as believable and true as any.

[8-ball]

DD is quick to suggest Ron Dennis should be given the boot at McLaren largely because of last season's spy scandal, but why does he side step events at Ferrari, the ones who began the whole saga? Why was it that Stepney felt so annoyed that he wanted to betray Ferrari?

Clearly to advance in the Ferrari ranks you need to be in good with jean todt. Hence Ross brawn at Honda where he is team principal. I am not saying he should go based on just this spy scandal but it was the straw that broke the camels back. Ron should let 2008 be his last and hopefully try and go out on a high with both titles. Martin Whitmarsh is more than capable of running the team and how much longer is he going to have to wait to get the top job?

The truth is people are jealous of Ron Dennis. He started off from the bottom, worked his way up to the very top on merit alone, and turned McLaren from a floundering constructor to one of the greatest marques in motor sport's history within a few years, has his health, money and a loving family.

I'm am not jealous of Ron in the slightest in fact i admire what he has done and it is certainly a lot more than what jean todt did at ferrari. I hope he stays healthy and enjoys the money he has earned but sentiment is not going to win Mclaren world titles.

[McLaren Fan]

Why was it that Stepney felt so annoyed that he wanted to betray Ferrari?

Because he's a frigging arsehole?

What hypocrisy!

So Stepney is merely an arsehole, despite it being well publicised he was unhappy with Ferrari's top brass, but Coughlan taking the information stains Ron Dennis and the whole of McLaren?!

[grambok1984]

He has done alot for the sport over the last decade. But I personally hope he leavews as soon as possible. His days are quite numbered.