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[McLaren Fan]

I'll say it again incase everyone has forgotten the past 100 time's I said it, I dont hate McLaren I'm just sick and tired of the McLaren fan's incesent whining and crying.

That's rich coming from the Tifosi.

[texasmr2]

Search this forum bro and then tell me who the whiner's are? You can start with this thread as a perfect example.

[McLaren Fan]

Search this forum bro and then tell me who the whiner's are? You can start with this thread as a perfect example.

Jean Todt and his acolytes don't post on this forum, do they? Therefore, the results can't be accurate. If Ferrari-FIA conducted themselves in an appropriate fashion, nobody would be complaining.

[bud]

And Ferrari benefitted from Bridgestone being a single tyre supplier


go eat s*** poofters

[texasmr2]

Jean Todt and his acolytes don't post on this forum, do they?

And Ferrari benefitted from Bridgestone being a single tyre supplier.

So they are to blame for that, I dont see the reasoning here bud ?

go eat s*** poofters

Come on bud I expected alittle more class from you than to resort to such comment's as that .

[bud]

what dont you understand ?

Todts whinging about a control ecu and you have posters like DD agreeing yet they have both overlooked the fact that Bridgestone were chosen to be the sole tyre supplier with their marriage like relationship with Ferrari who was to benefit from that?

thus eat s***(own words) Poofters(todt... maybe dd but she/he loves it when i call her/him gay:P)

[McLaren Fan]

what dont you understand ?

The tifosi will never understand, it's that simple. They only see the merits of Ferrari and, like the Roman Catholic Church, if they don't like it, they annul it: it simply didn't happen.

[texasmr2]

Man I dont even know where to start but this tifosi is tired of beating his head against a brick wall. We all know that there is alot of crying from both side's I only agreed with Todt's concern and would agree with McLaren's concern's if the role's were reversed.

The tifosi will never understand, it's that simple. They only see the merits of Ferrari and, like the Roman Catholic Church, if they don't like it, they annul it: it simply didn't happen.

Calling the kettle black once again? This can also be said for the McLaren camp, oh never mind I forgot McLaren did not have Ferrari data, which was found in their posseion, it's all a smoke screen by Ferrari !

Everything has been dropped and forgotten of '07 season by both team's so why cant we just move on and see what the '08 season hold's ?

[McLaren Fan]

Calling the kettle black once again? This can also be said for the McLaren camp, oh never mind I forgot McLaren did not have Ferrari data, which was found in their posseion, it's all a smoke screen by Ferrari

As I've said before, Bud as well, we aren't denying things could have been done differently at McLaren. The only ones denying anything are the tifosi, who, either delusioned, blind - intentionally, I suspect - that Ferrari don't get extra help from the sport's governing body.

Everything has been dropped and forgotten of '07 season by both team's so why cant we just move on and see what the '08 season hold's ?

We can't move on, in my view, for the outstanding issues remain. The FIA in its current state is not fit to govern Formula One. For as long as things stay like this, we are going to get political decisions, bad decisions, and inconsistent decisions. And I'm not just talking about McLaren - I'm not that narrow minded.

[texasmr2]

We can't move on, in my view, for the outstanding issues remain.

My gawd is this a man/women relationship we are talking about or racing? "We cant move on" sound's like the reason I dumped an exgirlfriend, she did nothing but constantly dwell in the past.

The FIA in its current state is not fit to govern Formula One. For as long as things stay like this, we are going to get political decisions, bad decisions, and inconsistent decisions. And I'm not just talking about McLaren - I'm not that narrow minded.

Everyone know's I agree that we need a change in the FIA but is the McLaren camp going to continue to wallow in their own 'self pity' until a change happen's within the FIA ? Why do we keep going in circle's with this debate, NASCAR get's more and more appealing everyday. Incase you forgot, I know you didn't , Ferrari dropped their lawsuit against McLaren so we CAN MOVE ON!!! How much clearer should it be?

[McLaren Fan]

is the McLaren camp going to continue to wallow in their own 'self pity' until a change happen's within the FIA ? Why do we keep going in circle's with this debate, NASCAR get's more and more appealing everyday. Incase you forgot, I know you didn't , Ferrari dropped their lawsuit against McLaren so we CAN MOVE ON!!! How much clearer should it be?

The 2007 spy scandal is closed so far as McLaren, Ferrari and the FIA are concerned. McLaren are concentrating fully on winning races and championships next season. As a long term fan of McLaren and Formula One, I've moved on. What worries me and what I can't move on from is that there is another scandal or piece of political interference somewhere down the line. As fans of Formula One, I feel we should all be against these kinds of things and I feel all of the teams should push for some changes at the top of the sport. Eccelestone and the FIA may be able to kick down a few teams, but with only Ferrari in agreement with them they would have to make some concessions. Either that or just stage Grands Prix with only Ferraris competing.

[8-ball]

The 2007 spy scandal is closed so far as McLaren, Ferrari and the FIA are concerned. McLaren are concentrating fully on winning races and championships next season. As a long term fan of McLaren and Formula One, I've moved on. What worries me and what I can't move on from is that there is another scandal or piece of political interference somewhere down the line. As fans of Formula One, I feel we should all be against these kinds of things and I feel all of the teams should push for some changes at the top of the sport. Eccelestone and the FIA may be able to kick down a few teams, but with only Ferrari in agreement with them they would have to make some concessions. Either that or just stage Grands Prix with only Ferraris competing.

So i take it Mclaren Fan you are in favor of a breakaway series because that is exactly what will happen if the teams try to gang up on Eccelstone and the FIA. This device made by Mclaren will be sure to be vetted by the FIA to make sure there is no competitive advantage. Ferrari can't complain.

[texasmr2]

What worries me and what I can't move on from is that there is another scandal or piece of political interference somewhere down the line.

Why dwell on the unknown 'scandal or political interference' , who know's what the future hold's ? That I dont understand and it's just a way of setting one's self up for a disappointment or in preparartion for another b!tch fest. With all the complaining about the FIA I think McLaren has done quite well for themselve's.

As fans of Formula One, I feel we should all be against these kinds of things.

We are agaisnt the FIA in their current form and have said so 1000 time's, where have you been?

[McLaren Fan]

So i take it Mclaren Fan you are in favor of a breakaway series because that is exactly what will happen if the teams try to gang up on Eccelstone and the FIA. This device made by Mclaren will be sure to be vetted by the FIA to make sure there is no competitive advantage. Ferrari can't complain.

I am in favour of a Formula One World Championship run by an independent FIA and with Eccelestone dealing with whichever Grands Prix hosted, television rights etc. I am not in favour of a breakaway series, although I would tolerate one if I didn't think things could or would change. I cannot see a breakaway series happening for a couple of reasons. My idea would not lead to one, for all of the teams, with the exception of Ferrari, would be united. The FIA and Ecclestone would have to offer some concessions, which they've done before when drawing up the Concorde Agreement and its last renegotiation. There is no way Formula One could continue with Ferrari and a few nobodies. To be honest, I don't think it's asking a lot for some changes at the top in Formula One.

We are agaisnt the FIA in their current form and have said so 1000 time's, where have you been?

But nobody's prepared to do anything about it. Formula One fans should get backbones and make sure these clowns know what we think. Any sport is nothing without its fans in the end. Simultaneously, the teams should get backbones and say they're fed up with seeing titles being won in court rooms or hinging on some rule the FIA milk to extremes or simply invent.

[texasmr2]

It's long been apparent that the fan's opinion's are not even considered and it's also apparent that we will most likely never have any say so, it's sad very very sad.