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[acosmichippo]

You lot will argue about anything, I swear.

[racechick]

But who are you going to pick to represent the team? Team principal obviously... you can't send them all in!

Correct!! So the person sitting round the table all by himself when the other teams have left is the team principal

[scotty]

But who are you going to pick to represent the team? Team principal obviously... you can't send them all in!

Correct!! So the person sitting round the table all by himself when the other teams have left is the team principal

Right, but he still represents McLaren, that's what i'm getting at

[bud]

This argument about MW is petty at best! The word team is not a single person!
It's getting boring this tirade I'm sure RC you would have been over someone going on about Lewis the way you go on about MW by now!

[andrew]

It's nearing obsession..........

[racechick]

But who are you going to pick to represent the team? Team principal obviously... you can't send them all in!

Correct!! So the person sitting round the table all by himself when the other teams have left is the team principal

Right, but he still represents McLaren, that's what i'm getting at

Yes. That he does

[racechick]

This argument about MW is petty at best! The word team is not a single person!
It's getting boring this tirade I'm sure RC you would have been over someone going on about Lewis the way you go on about MW by now!

It's nearing obsession..........

"Tirade"?? I said he'd be left billy no mates at the FOTA meetings if teams keep leaving. Thats hardly a tirade. I wasnt having a go at him for teams leaving. In fact I said I thought they should stay. Ive no issue with his FOTA involvement at all.
"Obsession"?? I mentioned him in the FOTA thread because he's head of FOTA

[myownalias]

Why does the phrase "storm in a teacup" spring to mind about the last couple of pages.

With two of the big four teams missing from FOTA, the group is all but dead... agreement on the RRA was never going to be found between the teams given the relative budgets of the teams, only Ferrari, Red Bull, McLaren and Mercedes have the potential for HUGE budgets, the smaller teams would want a lower RRA to have a chance to compete on a level footing!

[racechick]

Yep. Its over. Which is a shame because RRA aside there are other times when the teams need to have unity. They play right into Ecclestone's hands.

[andrew]

FOTA is long overdue being disbanded as it is totally pointless. All they do is add to controversies in F1 like with the EBD earlier this year. Much like the unions, they are nothing more than trouble makers. The teams are there to race, not sit gossipping and drinking coffee.

[racechick]

FOTA could protect rights and conditions, as unions do....or try to.

[andrew]

Could but won't. Unions cause nothing more than trouble. That's why I'm totally against them.

[racechick]

Well no they wont now they've broken up...but they could have done if theyd remained together.

[darwin dali]

ESPNF1:
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Asked if he thought Red Bull's decision to leave would move things forward, Horner said: "I think for sure it has stimulated discussion and hopefully something positive will come out of it, but we only withdrew last week so we'll see. The team remains committed to trying to find ways of containing costs, but in a transparent manner. We're a subsidiary of an energy drinks company and what we do is only relevant to Formula One and therefore it's crucial that whatever regulations or [cost cutting] format is agreed upon is transparent and workable."

Horner also outlined his gripes with the RRA, saying he was concerned that manufacturer teams, such as Ferrari and Mercedes, could find loopholes in the agreement through their size and engine departments.

"It needs to encompass all aspects of the car," he said. "Dealing with equivalence is always quite difficult and quite dangerous. Each of the teams has a different make up, different ownership - some belong to automotive manufacturers and some are independent. If you look at the things that work, like the testing, like the windtunnel hours, like the restriction in personnel, the things that you can touch and feel seem to work quite well. But as soon as you start trading equivalence of hours versus external spend, that's where it seems to run into some difficulty.

"There's a willingness from all of the teams to try and contain costs, it's just the manner that you do that. And of course you can't exclude the engine from that as well - with some teams producing their own engines - so it's therefore important to look at the teams as a whole rather than cherry-picking chassis opposed to engine."

Red Bull technical director Adrian Newey said transparency between the teams was necessary for any kind of cost-cutting agreement to work.

"We all agree with budget control, we don't want to get into the arms race that happened with the manufacturers a few years ago, and certainly with Red Bull we wouldn't be able to," he said. "But if we can concentrate on the things that are tangible - the windtunnel and CFD restriction works very well because you can measure it and testing restrictions are exactly the same.

"But with some of the teams being involved in the subsidiaries of major automotive companies, it becomes a bit difficult to know exactly how their resources are really split. It's about having things that you can genuinely measure and as soon as you can't have that you get all the sniping and the bitching and accusations."

[What's Burning?]

Could but won't. Unions cause nothing more than trouble. That's why I'm totally against them.

You can be against labor unions and think they cause nothing but trouble all you want. As long as you're not against the rights of workers to unionize or bargain as a collective if they see fit. I don't think you're saying that you support corporations creating unfair work environments or unfair labor practices simply to exploit their employees in a poor economy. You know it's all about doing more with less to drive the bottom line.

In another thread you posted this;

I'd love to get given $150,000 (though would prefer it in real currency) per year. That way, I'd be able to afford to eat everyday and be honest with my immediate so-called boss.

Not being able to be honest with your immediate so-called boss seems to be a very pro union sentiment, so you've confused me.

Way off topic I know, but I was curios if you understood that without one side to balance the other things have a tendency to run amok for all.