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[Hammer278]

Webber had Fastest lap, his 8th of the season and DHL fastest lap trophy award. One record Seb didn't get this season.

If you ask Webber if he'd rather have his own achievements in 2011 or could switch it with his teammates...he might just punch you in the face.

[acosmichippo]

Webber had Fastest lap, his 8th of the season and DHL fastest lap trophy award. One record Seb didn't get this season.

No, SV was too busy winning races and the championship

Yeah, he was always on cruise control toward the end when the fuel was low. Webber, on the other hand, was always desperate to make up as many positions as possible after horrible starts.

[bud]

Webber had Fastest lap, his 8th of the season and DHL fastest lap trophy award. One record Seb didn't get this season.

No, SV was too busy winning races and the championship

Still we all know Sebs a stat man I'm sure he'd be slightly peeved not to get it, especially when he'd always ask who has fastest lap.

[GRHinPorts]

Webber had Fastest lap, his 8th of the season and DHL fastest lap trophy award. One record Seb didn't get this season.

No, SV was too busy winning races and the championship

Still we all know Sebs a stat man I'm sure he'd be slightly peeved not to get it, especially when he'd always ask who has fastest lap.

If he is peeved it will be with his team always telling him to slow down at the end with the race in hand.

With fastest lap always likely to come in the last 3-4 laps of the Grand Prix it slightly annoys me that the teams do this, because if the driver wants to go for it he should be allowed to. Its the drivers race win too on the line.

[darwin dali]

Webber had Fastest lap, his 8th of the season and DHL fastest lap trophy award. One record Seb didn't get this season.

No, SV was too busy winning races and the championship

Still we all know Sebs a stat man I'm sure he'd be slightly peeved not to get it, especially when he'd always ask who has fastest lap.

If he is peeved it will be with his team always telling him to slow down at the end with the race in hand.

With fastest lap always likely to come in the last 3-4 laps of the Grand Prix it slightly annoys me that the teams do this, because if the driver wants to go for it he should be allowed to. Its the drivers race win too on the line.

Yes and no. The teams DO tell the race leader to turn it down a notch and especially SV needs to be reminded of that or he'd sneak in a few quali laps and might break something and lose.
Obviously the teams want to preserve the race win by having the driver nurse his car home.
And it's as much the team's win as it is the driver's - the drivers are employed by the teams and must follow instructions.

[acosmichippo]

And it's not just about preserving that race win, but future races as well. Since they only have a limited number of engines and gearboxes, you can't get car reliability like Vettel had this year without nursing the car at every opportunity.

[bud]

Webber had Fastest lap, his 8th of the season and DHL fastest lap trophy award. One record Seb didn't get this season.

No, SV was too busy winning races and the championship

Still we all know Sebs a stat man I'm sure he'd be slightly peeved not to get it, especially when he'd always ask who has fastest lap.

If he is peeved it will be with his team always telling him to slow down at the end with the race in hand.

With fastest lap always likely to come in the last 3-4 laps of the Grand Prix it slightly annoys me that the teams do this, because if the driver wants to go for it he should be allowed to. Its the drivers race win too on the line.

Yes and no. The teams DO tell the race leader to turn it down a notch and especially SV needs to be reminded of that or he'd sneak in a few quali laps and might break something and lose.
Obviously the teams want to preserve the race win by having the driver nurse his car home.
And it's as much the team's win as it is the driver's - the drivers are employed by the teams and must follow instructions.

Seb was told to nurse the car home then he'd bang in a fastest lap at some of the races this year. Not really following instructions well

[andrew]

Before you bring "facts" into an argument, it is customary to have some.

Well I don't see any facts or anything in the least credible in the theory that Vettels gearbox was fine but Red Bull wanted to gift Webber a win.

As for facts in my comments, there are a few if you read what I wrote.

Vettels gearbox was at or nearing the end of its life cycle - fact.

Wrong fact. New gearbox.

Vettels was on wet weather settings as evidenced by his rain light being on which can only be done by changing the cars settings ratehr than a switch on the light or in the cockpit - fact.

So? Redbull can easily switch his car to wet weather mode for the world to see his flashing light and believe his gearbox really has issues.

The wet weather settings will entail less harsh gear settings aimed at reducing wheelspin so puts less strain on the gear box - another fact. So what say you again about not seeing any facts in my comment? Thought so.

This isn't another fact, it just supports the previous.

For the record, I couldn't really care if Webber was gifted the victory...but the conspiracy theorists have a field day with this one. Last race of the season, Webber's never won before and he's got a couple of WDC positions to gain, convenient time for a 'gearbox' problem for the guy who's won everything, and even with a gearbox problem the guy makes fastest lap when Webber is ensured in control of the race.

Coincidence? Still, might be...but businesses don't always tell the truth to public which is completely understandable.

Something wrong with your quotes here. The Conspiracy theory bovine manure should not be attributed to me. Someone else has this dubious honour.

[f1ea]

Yes and no. The teams DO tell the race leader to turn it down a notch and especially SV needs to be reminded of that or he'd sneak in a few quali laps and might break something and lose.
Obviously the teams want to preserve the race win by having the driver nurse his car home.
And it's as much the team's win as it is the driver's - the drivers are employed by the teams and must follow instructions.

yeah... i wouldnt be surprised if RBR fired Vettel after such blatant disregard for authority

[darwin dali]

Webber had Fastest lap, his 8th of the season and DHL fastest lap trophy award. One record Seb didn't get this season.

No, SV was too busy winning races and the championship

Still we all know Sebs a stat man I'm sure he'd be slightly peeved not to get it, especially when he'd always ask who has fastest lap.

If he is peeved it will be with his team always telling him to slow down at the end with the race in hand.

With fastest lap always likely to come in the last 3-4 laps of the Grand Prix it slightly annoys me that the teams do this, because if the driver wants to go for it he should be allowed to. Its the drivers race win too on the line.

Yes and no. The teams DO tell the race leader to turn it down a notch and especially SV needs to be reminded of that or he'd sneak in a few quali laps and might break something and lose.
Obviously the teams want to preserve the race win by having the driver nurse his car home.
And it's as much the team's win as it is the driver's - the drivers are employed by the teams and must follow instructions.

Seb was told to nurse the car home then he'd bang in a fastest lap at some of the races this year. Not really following instructions well

Yeah well, boyz and their toyz, what can I say?

[racechick]

Vettel's problem makes sense on a technical level. Oil leak in gearbox = excess heat = change up at lower revs to reduce generated heat (and therefore wear). The fact that he could still set quick laps is irrelevant considering the nature of his problem, and considering his probable potential pace. I can't believe people are giving this conspiracy value, it's almost as ridiculous as the Glock/Hamilton one that started 3 years ago.

Vettel set the fastest lap.....on lap 68....with a poorly gearbox? Anyway Im really not bothered if Red Bull wanted to give Mark a win. They had everything else sewn up, didnt interfere with the championship and didnt harm anyone else in another team. I dont suppose we'll ever know

Do you actually understand the impact and consequences of an oil leak in a gearbox? There was nothing actually wrong with the actual functionality of the box, but if the oil had gone completely the box would have totally seized (and/or melted) and it would have been game over. That obviously didn't happen during the race.

I dont really understand the technical details involved, but I do have a problem with this supposed gear box issue. It doesnt add up. So Ive been asking around my less technically challenged aquaintances. I'm being told it would be impossible for an ordinary gearbox to survive with without oil never mind one tuned to F1 spec. A small oil loss would be catastrophic, letting it run dry....worse. Gears would heat up and seize or blow apart the box even if the driver short shifted( which would have impaired performance had he actually done this). A gearbox loosing as much oil as red bull said it was could not be nursed no matter how good the driver.
As I say, I dont understand the technicalities, but this comes from a maintenance engineer who used to work with pumps and gear boxes. I 'd love to hear other views on this? Were Red Bull lying? Was this a thank you present to Mark? Mechanics? Engineers? Your Views please. Im gonna ask my F1 related engineer friend see what he says. But why would red bull do such a stupid story?

[Hammer278]

Before you bring "facts" into an argument, it is customary to have some.

Well I don't see any facts or anything in the least credible in the theory that Vettels gearbox was fine but Red Bull wanted to gift Webber a win.

As for facts in my comments, there are a few if you read what I wrote.

Vettels gearbox was at or nearing the end of its life cycle - fact.

Wrong fact. New gearbox.

Vettels was on wet weather settings as evidenced by his rain light being on which can only be done by changing the cars settings ratehr than a switch on the light or in the cockpit - fact.

So? Redbull can easily switch his car to wet weather mode for the world to see his flashing light and believe his gearbox really has issues.

The wet weather settings will entail less harsh gear settings aimed at reducing wheelspin so puts less strain on the gear box - another fact. So what say you again about not seeing any facts in my comment? Thought so.

This isn't another fact, it just supports the previous.

For the record, I couldn't really care if Webber was gifted the victory...but the conspiracy theorists have a field day with this one. Last race of the season, Webber's never won before and he's got a couple of WDC positions to gain, convenient time for a 'gearbox' problem for the guy who's won everything, and even with a gearbox problem the guy makes fastest lap when Webber is ensured in control of the race.

Coincidence? Still, might be...but businesses don't always tell the truth to public which is completely understandable.

Something wrong with your quotes here. The Conspiracy theory bovine manure should not be attributed to me. Someone else has this dubious honour.

Let me spell it out again:

The conspiracy theorists have a field day with this one. You don't have to be part of this group. But you don't have enough argument on your side to refute them either. It's open to both sides to accept what they prefer...like the ending to 'Inception'.

[Herbs]

You people really are bored, this is ridiculous.

[bud]

Plenty of examples in the past of drivers getting to the end of races with faulty gear boxes, and mind you many at Sao Paulo so I dont see why it's so hard to believe?

[acosmichippo]

I personally don't find either proposition hard to believe. Just one of those things we'll probably never know for sure.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter at all.