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[redstreak]

Well for one,any succesful person knows that if you dont come in first you lose. And seeing how 'sir ron' LOST last years championship by not being able to coach precious little Lewy to better negotiate track position in the last race...and then losing his best driver (2 time world champion) AND having been fined an ungodly amount of money all while losing pit row position and space...id say he has a couple of things to be bitter about...Though i will not argue that Max-a-million is far more bitter; eventually Mclaren may need to relize maybe the Dennis dictatorship is not the most effective way to run a team now days.

[racechick]

Such bitterness about lewis!! ps-his gears went-thats why he lost-his position was fine to win the championship

[Clarkey3262]

No the Ferrari fans don't get personal, it's usually the McLaren fans spewing vile from their mouths, but we understand they are just frustrated by their own team. Nobody likes to hear the team boss forced 200 employees to lie to the FIA with the signature fiasco.

*Don't know where I saw what I am about to say so if it is from here then apologies in advance*

The 200 employees that singed that stated that they did not knowingly use Ferrari data, at that time that may have been true, they may have used it without knowing it belonged to Ferrari

Just another point to consider

2008 shpuld be interesting that is for sure.

That's a moot point in my opinion. By the time they signed this piece of paper, the gist of the affair was all out in the open and they should have thought twice (or trice or whatever) before they signed something like this BECAUSE they couldn't be sure it wasn't Ferrari data they were looking at. So, when they signed, they took that gamble and it didn't pay...

That is true, however, the statement was to state they had not knowingly used Ferrari data - I think - which would have been true, if they had signed something saying they did not use ferrari data then this would have been a lie because they would not have been sure, they were sure they didn't use Ferrari data in the full knowledge it was Ferrari data.

[McLaren Fan]

eventually Mclaren may need to relize maybe the Dennis dictatorship is not the most effective way to run a team now days.

That point would be valid, if Ron Dennis didn't devolve power to various people throughout the team.

[deMuRe]

eventually Mclaren may need to relize maybe the Dennis dictatorship is not the most effective way to run a team now days.

That point would be valid, if Ron Dennis didn't devolve power to various people throughout the team.

Anyone catch this article?

http://www.forumula1.com/2007/f1/f1-new ... spair-ron/

Some lateral thinking there, not blaming McLaren's driver championship loss on the spy scandal but on Hamilton.

Also making mention to two very important points: 1) Hamilton's development will miss out if he's not partnered with a faster/more experienced team mate. 2) The spy scandal et all F1 controversy tends to galvanise teams and ensure they come back stronger in the future.

Food for thought...

[racechick]

eventually Mclaren may need to relize maybe the Dennis dictatorship is not the most effective way to run a team now days.

That point would be valid, if Ron Dennis didn't devolve power to various people throughout the team.

Anyone catch this article?

http://www.forumula1.com/2007/f1/f1-new ... spair-ron/

Some lateral thinking there, not blaming McLaren's driver championship loss on the spy scandal but on Hamilton.

Also making mention to two very important points: 1) Hamilton's development will miss out if he's not partnered with a faster/more experienced team mate. 2) The spy scandal et all F1 controversy tends to galvanise teams and ensure they come back stronger in the future.

Food for thought...

Yes i read that article. Of course hamilton has to take part blame for not winning the champioship-he was the driver and admits to his errers. It was also his driving that put him in contention in the first place and if you read all the article it says that this racing/fighting mentality will win more championships than it will loose. Just thought id put it in context

[deMuRe]

eventually Mclaren may need to relize maybe the Dennis dictatorship is not the most effective way to run a team now days.

That point would be valid, if Ron Dennis didn't devolve power to various people throughout the team.

Anyone catch this article?

http://www.forumula1.com/2007/f1/f1-new ... spair-ron/

Some lateral thinking there, not blaming McLaren's driver championship loss on the spy scandal but on Hamilton.

Also making mention to two very important points: 1) Hamilton's development will miss out if he's not partnered with a faster/more experienced team mate. 2) The spy scandal et all F1 controversy tends to galvanise teams and ensure they come back stronger in the future.

Food for thought...

Yes i read that article. Of course hamilton has to take part blame for not winning the champioship-he was the driver and admits to his errers. It was also his driving that put him in contention in the first place and if you read all the article it says that this racing/fighting mentality will win more championships than it will loose. Just thought id put it in context

I know mate, I'm not looking to misquote anybody or take things out of context, it was just the first time in a while I've read a piece of F1 journalism that wasn't regurgitated press release. I enjoyed the article a lot and it made me think of things I wouldn't ordinarily think of.

I just thought I'd put my post in context

[racechick]

ok

[nikon133]

The entire FIA process has been justified since the McLaren apology...

Unless they were blackmailed to apologize if they want to compete in 2008 without permanent interference from FIA... or, to compete AT ALL; when you think about that, it is not so hard to find someone's ideas in other's design... it is not like F1 cars are THAT different. FIA did need something like that to justify their crappy handling of whole affair ant to quiet media a bit, so I can see MM telling RD (in private) something like "Hey mate, guilty or not I'll make your life hell if you don't do that..."

[kezza7]

The entire FIA process has been justified since the McLaren apology...

Unless they were blackmailed to apologize if they want to compete in 2008 without permanent interference from FIA... or, to compete AT ALL; when you think about that, it is not so hard to find someone's ideas in other's design... it is not like F1 cars are THAT different. FIA did need something like that to justify their crappy handling of whole affair ant to quiet media a bit, so I can see MM telling RD (in private) something like "Hey mate, guilty or not I'll make your life hell if you don't do that..."

thats like sahyin theres a conspiracy inf1 that mclaren were made to apologise

[racechick]

The entire FIA process has been justified since the McLaren apology...

Unless they were blackmailed to apologize if they want to compete in 2008 without permanent interference from FIA... or, to compete AT ALL; when you think about that, it is not so hard to find someone's ideas in other's design... it is not like F1 cars are THAT different. FIA did need something like that to justify their crappy handling of whole affair ant to quiet media a bit, so I can see MM telling RD (in private) something like "Hey mate, guilty or not I'll make your life hell if you don't do that..."

thats like sahyin theres a conspiracy inf1 that mclaren were made to apologise

I think thats entirely likely especially when you look at the wording of the apology. You think Max wouldnt stoop so low? Well he's threatened Martin Brundle with his reporters license and written to ITV to complain about him because he doesnt like what he says.

[Martin]

Since it is a governing body, the members of FIA should be voted into office. But by whom? Teams? Fans? combination?
F1 as a whole, and the FIA in particular, need to be reminded on a regular basis that F1 exists SOLELY for the fans. It is a market based sport, big money comes from sponsors, sponsors money comes from US.
Of course, FIA governs many forms of motor sport, not just F1 and I dont know what these other forms of the sport think of the FIA.
However, that said I dont think it practical that fans have a vote for FIA members but teams should have a vote. What do you reckon?
If teams (F1 & other) voted then I am certain that Max would be gone.

[texasmr2]

I think the team's should have the vote.

[racechick]

The teams should vote yes, with no weighting to any particular team. All teams taking part should have equal treatment and voting rights.

[deMuRe]

The teams should vote yes, with no weighting to any particular team. All teams taking part should have equal treatment and voting rights.

So some little upstart from India looking to plast his mates businesses into the limelight then sell on when he's reached his market saturation point gets the same voting rights as Ferrari?