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[Hammer278]

Dunno if Vettel would have romped away, Lewis' pace was strong so with two drs it might have been a fight. But will never know. Button and webber was also fun to watch but overall the threat of Alonso was always there so seeing him and Lew pushing to the very end until the last stop is interesting to a race fan.

In a nutshell. But not all are race fans in this thread so to speak.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Autosprint Italia conjectures a glitch in the RB7's fuel mapping caused excessive exhaust gas heat, which caused Vettel's tyre to fail suddenly.

Auto Motor und Sport speculates exhaust heat might have directly caused the tyre to fail or it might have caused some CF suspension component to fail and launch a CF sliver which punctured the tyre.

Video of Vettel's pit crewmen examining the RB7's RR in the pit box shows the lower link had fractured but it also appears the brake duct was deformed. Difficult to say which was the αlpha event.


Otherwise, Vettel was gone. Auf wieder bye-bye. Just like a dozen other times this season. It wouldn't have mattered if the circuit had had 62 DRS zones because Hamilton would never have got within a second of Vettel.

[LewEngBridewell]

Otherwise, Vettel was gone. Auf wieder bye-bye. Just like a dozen other times this season. It wouldn't have mattered if the circuit had had 62 DRS zones because Hamilton would never have got within a second of Vettel.

What makes you so sure about that?

[GRHinPorts]

Otherwise, Vettel was gone. Auf wieder bye-bye. Just like a dozen other times this season. It wouldn't have mattered if the circuit had had 62 DRS zones because Hamilton would never have got within a second of Vettel.

What makes you so sure about that?

Well the evidence of the 16 previous races is compelling - but unfortunately pretty circumstantial.

Look the thing is it is quite possible Vettel would have cleared out. I mean would anyone have thought Alonso could keep up with both Lewis and Sebs pace?

However equally it could have been a titanic battle between them both. I just had a feeling it might have been because the McLaren looks a bit more at home at that kind of circuit and Lewis seemed switched on all weekend.

But really its all guesswork and we just can't know for sure (had Vettel even completed 1 full competitive lap I would lean towards making a judgement) but I guess that wont stop people making their own assumption which may or may not be influenced by their own driver/team support biases.

[What's Burning?]

Autosprint Italia conjectures a glitch in the RB7's fuel mapping caused excessive exhaust gas heat, which caused Vettel's tyre to fail suddenly.

Auto Motor und Sport speculates exhaust heat might have directly caused the tyre to fail or it might have caused some CF suspension component to fail and launch a CF sliver which punctured the tyre.

Video of Vettel's pit crewmen examining the RB7's RR in the pit box shows the lower link had fractured but it also appears the brake duct was deformed. Difficult to say which was the αlpha event.


Otherwise, Vettel was gone. Auf wieder bye-bye. Just like a dozen other times this season. It wouldn't have mattered if the circuit had had 62 DRS zones because Hamilton would never have got within a second of Vettel.

He almost had a second lead by turn two.

[darwin dali]

Autosprint Italia conjectures a glitch in the RB7's fuel mapping caused excessive exhaust gas heat, which caused Vettel's tyre to fail suddenly.

Auto Motor und Sport speculates exhaust heat might have directly caused the tyre to fail or it might have caused some CF suspension component to fail and launch a CF sliver which punctured the tyre.

Video of Vettel's pit crewmen examining the RB7's RR in the pit box shows the lower link had fractured but it also appears the brake duct was deformed. Difficult to say which was the αlpha event.


Otherwise, Vettel was gone. Auf wieder bye-bye. Just like a dozen other times this season. It wouldn't have mattered if the circuit had had 62 DRS zones because Hamilton would never have got within a second of Vettel.

He almost had a second lead by turn two.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

It does put Pirelli in a rather delicate position if they should conclude their tyre failed as a result of either the Rinnow's engine mapping or the construction or the RB7's EBD. They are obligated to inform their other customers as to the cause of the failure, but how to do that without compromising RBR's trust?

When Pirelli do release their analysis, I expect it will sound evasive and either nonspecific or nonsensical.

Unless, of course, it truly was their tyre's fault.

[racechick]

Wasnt it because Pirelli tell the teams how much air to put in but Red Bull put less in? If thats what happened its not Pirelli's fault.

[GRHinPorts]

Wasnt it because Pirelli tell the teams how much air to put in but Red Bull put less in? If thats what happened its not Pirelli's fault.

Wasnt there something about the race at Spa where RBR also had done this?

[racechick]

Wasnt it because Pirelli tell the teams how much air to put in but Red Bull put less in? If thats what happened its not Pirelli's fault.

Wasnt there something about the race at Spa where RBR also had done this?

There was that time when Red Bull did something wrong with the camber(again against Pirelli advice) and then wanted to be allowed new tyres because they realised they were on the limit of safety.....not enough on the limit though to start form the pitlane having made a change to the car.

[GRHinPorts]

Wasnt it because Pirelli tell the teams how much air to put in but Red Bull put less in? If thats what happened its not Pirelli's fault.

Wasnt there something about the race at Spa where RBR also had done this?

There was that time when Red Bull did something wrong with the camber(again against Pirelli advice) and then wanted to be allowed new tyres because they realised they were on the limit of safety.....not enough on the limit though to start form the pitlane having made a change to the car.

Ahh thats right it was camber settings and not air pressure. Still.

[LewEngBridewell]

Wasnt it because Pirelli tell the teams how much air to put in but Red Bull put less in? If thats what happened its not Pirelli's fault.

Wasnt there something about the race at Spa where RBR also had done this?

There was that time when Red Bull did something wrong with the camber(again against Pirelli advice) and then wanted to be allowed new tyres because they realised they were on the limit of safety.....not enough on the limit though to start form the pitlane having made a change to the car.

Ahh thats right it was camber settings and not air pressure. Still.

And yet people say only McLaren are guilty of making mistakes...

Well, all I say to that is

[scotty]

And yet people say only McLaren are guilty of making mistakes...

Well, all I say to that is

But Red Bull got a 1-2 at Spa... i fail to see the mistake.


FYI apparently a lot of teams 'politely ignore' Pirelli's advice concerning tyre treatment if it'll get them some extra pace. Can you blame them?

[racechick]

And yet people say only McLaren are guilty of making mistakes...

Well, all I say to that is

But Red Bull got a 1-2 at Spa... i fail to see the mistake.


FYI apparently a lot of teams 'politely ignore' Pirelli's advice concerning tyre treatment if it'll get them some extra pace. Can you blame them?

Nope, but then they cant cry when it all goes wrong.

The 'mistake' was that the tyres were dangerous so Red Bull tried to get dispensation to let them change the setting (was it Spa? I cant remember), when they didnt get the go ahead they decided to risk it anyway rather than alter their settings and have to start from the pit lane. Yes they were fast. Thats why they did it in the first place...but they were gambling with safety.

[scotty]

Nope, but then they cant cry when it all goes wrong.

The 'mistake' was that the tyres were dangerous so Red Bull tried to get dispensation to let them change the setting (was it Spa? I cant remember), when they didnt get the go ahead they decided to risk it anyway rather than alter their settings and have to start from the pit lane. Yes they were fast. Thats why they did it in the first place...but they were gambling with safety.

They most certainly cannot cry if they hack it up for the sake of a little extra pace, but if it's all ok in the end it's all a bit of a moot point i guess.

If you remember at Spa, Red Bull's tyres badly blistered in the first stint due to the camber angle and they took their first stops mega early. I thought it was game on at that point but luckily for them the tyres held out better once the track rubbered in a bit. To be honest i think every team would do the same in their position though, the safety risk is (relatively speaking) minimal but an extra tenth is everything...