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[SimonB]

It's exactly the same as webber vs Hamilton at Singapore 2010 and Lewis got the blame for that one aswell!

[racechick]

Racing incident. They're both idiots really.

Bit harsh on Massa but excellent assessment but sadly the race stewards seem to have forgotten that racing incidents happen and seem obsessed with aportioning blame in every single incident.

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I dunno if it's so harsh on Massa, i mean, given the number of scuffles they've had on track this season alone surely they both should have learnt by now what the other guy is likely to try. Yet apparently neither of them have...

Oh come on, so what was Hamilton supposed to do, just follow him around the track and NOT attempt an overtake?

He got a penalty in practice, and got a bad start and ended up behind Massa while being a lot faster - obviously he needs to OVERTAKE the guy. He saw the opportunity and took it, Massa closed the door (being blind and stupid), how is that Hamilton being dumb? Talk sense will you.

Hamilton has raced Massa enough that he should know by now that Massa will just shut the door unless the move is 100% on. If he just half sticks it up the inside like that and so many previous times, the door will shut because Massa won't just yield! Gotta learn! They've had so many collisions now it's just ridiculous. But i'm guessing you're going to tell me every single one of those was 100% Massa's fault now.

Like Bud says, it takes two to tango. Massa needs some dancing lessons. Not everything is 100% massa's fault,of course not, many of his accidents are racing incidents. Yes Lewis will always go for the gap. But when other racers go for the gap on him he will leave room. He's a fair racer. Thats not saying he doesnt make errors, its saying he's a fair racer, he will yield when he knows the corner is lost. Cutting across someone when you know they're there and contact will be made, well thats just not a good idea.

[andrew]

If an opportunity of a pass is only half there, chances are it'll end in tears.

Wise words from Button on Massa-Hamilton:I don’t give a

[acosmichippo]

Ok, after reading this whole thread, here is my view. I get that Massa turned in and could have left more room for Lewis. Fair point. But shouldn't there also be some responsibility assigned to the driver that initiated the basically impossible overtaking maneuver in the first place? Like some of you have said: it takes two to tango.

So given that, I think either both drivers should have gotten penalties, or (ideally) neither of them.

And regarding the Brundle/Coulthard discussion on-air: I don't think either of them said that Lewis deserved a penalty. What they were discussing was whether they thought he would get one. It's a completely different subject. DC said something like, "given Lewis's history with collisions like these, we have to expect him to get a penalty". I don't see how anyone could argue with that at the time. You Lewis fans, tell me your first thought after watching the crash wasn't, "Oh great, here we go, another penalty for Lewis."

[racechick]

If an opportunity of a pass is only half there, chances are it'll end in tears.

Wise words from Button on Massa-Hamilton:I don’t give a

Is that for real or made up? Good job it wasnt Lewis saying the F word when asked a question about Button. WOOHOOO that would cause world war 3!!

[darwin dali]

If an opportunity of a pass is only half there, chances are it'll end in tears.

Wise words from Button on Massa-Hamilton:I don’t give a

Is that for real or made up? Good job it wasnt Lewis saying the F word when asked a question about Button. WOOHOOO that would cause world war 3!!

ESPNF1:
As has happened most weeks, Button's discussions with the media inevitably turned to his team-mate. But when asked to analyse where things went wrong for Hamilton in India, Button fired back: "I don't give a f***."

It wasn't a angry response, just one which highlighted frustration that Hamilton's problems were overshadowing McLaren - and Button's - resurgence.

"If you have someone like Lewis, who is bloody quick, it means a lot when you can finish in front of him, yes," Button said. "He is also another world champion, so he is no slouch.

"We all want to beat our team-mate, whatever we say. That's the way it is. We have the same equipment. It is a real challenge to beat him, but that is the challenge I wanted when I came here. I wanted to find out where I really stand compared to Lewis. I have had better races than Lewis in the second half of the season, but he has had phenomenal races when I have not been able to touch him.

"Lewis will be strong next year. Sometimes you wish he wasn't that quick but it is competitive. He will definitely be there next year, no doubt, and we will have good fights and you will have two Brits fighting it out for the championship."

[acosmichippo]

But when asked to analyse where things went wrong for Hamilton in India, Button fired back: "I don't give a f***."

I'm starting to like Jenson more and more.

[andrew]

If an opportunity of a pass is only half there, chances are it'll end in tears.

Wise words from Button on Massa-Hamilton:I don’t give a

Is that for real or made up? Good job it wasnt Lewis saying the F word when asked a question about Button. WOOHOOO that would cause world war 3!!

It's on a proper F1 site so yeah.

I very much doubt that Hamilton using colourful language would cause anyone any upset. It's just another word that we all use several times a day.

[Hammer278]

If an opportunity of a pass is only half there, chances are it'll end in tears.

Wise words from Button on Massa-Hamilton:I don’t give a

Is that for real or made up? Good job it wasnt Lewis saying the F word when asked a question about Button. WOOHOOO that would cause world war 3!!

ESPNF1:
As has happened most weeks, Button's discussions with the media inevitably turned to his team-mate. But when asked to analyse where things went wrong for Hamilton in India, Button fired back: "I don't give a f***."

It wasn't a angry response, just one which highlighted frustration that Hamilton's problems were overshadowing McLaren - and Button's - resurgence.

"If you have someone like Lewis, who is bloody quick, it means a lot when you can finish in front of him, yes," Button said. "He is also another world champion, so he is no slouch.

"We all want to beat our team-mate, whatever we say. That's the way it is. We have the same equipment. It is a real challenge to beat him, but that is the challenge I wanted when I came here. I wanted to find out where I really stand compared to Lewis. I have had better races than Lewis in the second half of the season, but he has had phenomenal races when I have not been able to touch him.

"Lewis will be strong next year. Sometimes you wish he wasn't that quick but it is competitive. He will definitely be there next year, no doubt, and we will have good fights and you will have two Brits fighting it out for the championship."

Yeah I never liked Jenson but he said what he really meant this time which is good to see - he shouldn't give a f*ck and doesn't need to.

[IheartKimmi]

Ok, after reading this whole thread, here is my view. I get that Massa turned in and could have left more room for Lewis. Fair point. But shouldn't there also be some responsibility assigned to the driver that initiated the basically impossible overtaking maneuver in the first place? Like some of you have said: it takes two to tango.

So given that, I think either both drivers should have gotten penalties, or (ideally) neither of them.

And regarding the Brundle/Coulthard discussion on-air: I don't think either of them said that Lewis deserved a penalty. What they were discussing was whether they thought he would get one. It's a completely different subject. DC said something like, "given Lewis's history with collisions like these, we have to expect him to get a penalty". I don't see how anyone could argue with that at the time. You Lewis fans, tell me your first thought after watching the crash wasn't, "Oh great, here we go, another penalty for Lewis."

I have to agree totally with this

[PartsaS]

Ok Mr Calm is losing it? No he is absolutely right...

“If you want to do an interview with me, about me, that’s fine,” he charged. “But I don’t want to be asked about Lewis again. It’s doing my head in.”

J Button



british reporters love Hamilton, but don't brake Jenson B*lls about it, if you want to learn about Lewis ask him.

[Hammer278]

Ok Mr Calm is losing it? No he is absolutely right...

“If you want to do an interview with me, about me, that’s fine,” he charged. “But I don’t want to be asked about Lewis again. It’s doing my head in.”

J Button



british reporters love Hamilton, but don't brake Jenson B*lls about it, if you want to learn about Lewis ask him.

Jensons pissed cuz he ain't as hot news as Lewis.

[andrew]

Webber made similar comments after being constantly asked about Vettel.

[myownalias]

I, too would be pissed off if people kept on asking about a colleague, instead of my own achievements, Jenson has stepped upto the plate this season and beaten Lewis fair and square thusfar.

Maybe this is going to be JB's new bad boy image but probably just frustration coming out, Lewis is still overshadowing him despite JB being the better driver in the second half of the season!

[LewEngBridewell]

JB being the better driver in the second half of the season!

That's because Jenson just gets on with the job. Doesn't mess around and generally avoids huge controversies. Good on him.