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[NocturnalTendencies]

The last time I checked, drivers aren't supposed to be "buddy, buddy".

[LewEngBridewell]

The last time I checked, drivers aren't supposed to be "buddy, buddy".

Absolutely not, but a line needs to be drawn at some point, and this has not happened with these two.

Martin Whitmarsh's comments were a bit clumsy, and although I do not believe that he is the cause of Hamilton's downcast nature / poor run of form, I don't think this was the ideal time for such words to be uttered.

However, this says it all for me.

"I don't want him to enjoy being beaten by his team-mate. I want him to try to beat Jenson, just as I want Jenson to try to beat Lewis."

[McLaren]

So all of a sudden MW can't make a comment without loads of people saying hes being horrible to Lewis or he loves Jenson.I think some people need to look at it from a non biased point of view,not for their blind love of Lewis.
I'm first and foremost a McLaren fan,if anything I prefer Lewis,on driving style alone.I can't see how the drivers at McLaren are getting treated anything other than fair.McLaren have a reputation of the drivers being treated with very high regard,something they don't get so much at other teams such as williams for example.
I think rather than blame MW people should take a look at just how Jenson has driven,when he arrived who thought he would challenge Lewis this well.Granted Lewis hasn't been on top of his game lately,perhaps Jenson's form got to him,but teammates have gotten to each other before.I still think most of Lewis's problems stem from his split with the pussey cat doll.

[bigpat]

Apparently this year is the first time in Lewis' career that his teammate has outpaced him over a season.
This is significant, as he's never felt the balance of power swing against him. Teams as a whole, no matter how impartial, will gravitate to the one delivering the results. It's not planned, it is just human nature. It's just an inertia in the team. You can't explain it until you've experienced it.... Ask Webber or Massa.

I think off track, his life isn't totally settled either. His split with his girlfriend days before India, and I feel not a total comfort with his management team, may contribute to his headspace not being there. I think not having his dad in his corner after all these years, may be a factor too. Button by comparison, has a rock solid foundation around him.

Our team had a new driver, that came with great reports. From the start, he never seemed consistently quick, or settled. Half way through the season, we found out that a sponsors guru forbade his family to hang around the team at meetings. We learned that he was family oriented, normally has his parents and siblings there, and liked his dad to be around the car ( dad was a pretty good racer himself).

Once we found that out, we encouraged the family to come along, ( we had a small hospitality section for these reasons). He was much happier ( so were we, his mum baked great cakes!) and the speed came. By then it was too late in the season to salvage it. The sponsor guru didn't approve, so the money was reduced, then cut...

Point is, you head has to be right before you jump in the car.

And by the way, Massa knew he was there there, as they were side by side ( so he saw Lewis' right front) before he braked later to keep Lewis behind. Look at Massa's turn in point. He would miss the apex by miles. The fact that he was handeca drive through, and hasn't said anything to the media about it afterwards, tells you he knows he made an error....

[andrew]

The last time I checked, drivers aren't supposed to be "buddy, buddy".

True that. Same way I opperate at work. Personnal and work are completely seperate.

[Matt_1222]

he was handed a drive through, and hasn't said anything to the media about it afterwards, tells you he knows he made an error....

He did complain, of course he did, he's Massa. Here's the interview:


Q. What is your view of the Lewis incident?

Felipe Massa: My view is that I was in front, I braked later than him and I was in front, I was on the grippy area as well and then I started to turn and I didn't see him on the left as he was behind. He touched my rear wheel. So, to be honest I don't understand why I have the penalty. It is not really understandable.

Q. This is six incidents between you two now. Is it now a feud?

FM: Maybe for him. Because all the incidents are that he touched my car. So, I didn't do anything wrong. When I saw that he put the car on my side, what am I doing? It was very dirty in his place, so I braked on the clean side, the grippy side, I brake later than him and I start to turn and he is behind me.

If it is Lewis or not Lewis, whatever the driver is there, I would do the same. I am on the good grip. Whoever is trying to overtake in that place he will brake later than me and I cannot do anything, but in this case I braked, I was in front of him and he touched me behind, so it is nothing to do with [it being] him, it is something... he touched me.

Q. He said he tried to bring an end to hostilities after the minute's silence?

FM: No, he didn't try. He didn't try to do anything. When I tried to speak to him he passed through. He did not look to my face, so no. Not here. Here after the one minute silence he was at my side and then he just said, 'have a good race'. So this is trying to what? Have a good race? Is that not part of talking, or whatever?

Q. You say you didn't see Lewis, but watching the replay since it seems to indicate you looked three times in mirrors?

FM: I know he was on my side. But when I braked, this is the important place, not when you are on the straight. When I braked, he was not on my side. So, I turned because I braked later than him. I cannot understand why I am supposed to back off and let him by, no? I braked later. He was on the dirty side. And then I turned and he touched me from behind. He did not touch on my side, or wheel-to-wheel. If it was wheel-to-wheel I would not try to close the door.

Q. Why did you see the stewards?

FM: The explanation is that they say when Lewis went on your side, you went to the right, and I said yes because I went to the grippy place. This is the only explanation they gave me because they were not so sure as well.

Q. Every time there are incidents with Lewis, there will obviously be questions. What can be done to sort this out?

FM: To be honest, it is nothing from me and myself. When I felt it was already too much, what he was doing, he didn't want to speak. So for me, nothing.

Q. Why so much bad blood between you and Lewis?

FM: I don't have anything against him.

Q. So what will you say if you meet him?

FM: If I saw him I would tell you what I am telling you now... I don't have anything. I have nothing against him. Zero. Zero.

[Hammer278]

Racing incident. They're both idiots really.

Bit harsh on Massa but excellent assessment but sadly the race stewards seem to have forgotten that racing incidents happen and seem obsessed with aportioning blame in every single incident.

/thread.

I dunno if it's so harsh on Massa, i mean, given the number of scuffles they've had on track this season alone surely they both should have learnt by now what the other guy is likely to try. Yet apparently neither of them have...

Oh come on, so what was Hamilton supposed to do, just follow him around the track and NOT attempt an overtake?

He got a penalty in practice, and got a bad start and ended up behind Massa while being a lot faster - obviously he needs to OVERTAKE the guy. He saw the opportunity and took it, Massa closed the door (being blind and stupid), how is that Hamilton being dumb? Talk sense will you.

[bud]

End of the day Massa can't just turn in when he knows a car is there, I think he really understands why he got penalized. In driver briefings they get told to give the other car space which is what he didn't do.

[killem2]

Brundle and particularly Coulthard show bias, ive said this before. They didnt even debate a penalty for Massa, only for Lewis. I think the bias in F1 is disgusting. Why is coulthard reporting on a race when he is employed by one of the competitors?

And you aren't biased for lewis? You are laughable.

Massa most certainly F'd up, but YOU need to remember just who you are talking about here, and how absolutely ridiculous you sound right now. Two british drivers, both very much fans of mclaren. You might be forgetting that they don't get the fancy camera angles on a moments notice. How many times have you heard them start commenting on something and the director switches to something else and they are just left in the cold.

Get over your self, and control your own biased.

[Hammer278]

End of the day Massa can't just turn in when he knows a car is there, I think he really understands why he got penalized. In driver briefings they get told to give the other car space which is what he didn't do.

That's the thing, I dont think he understands. I really think he's an idiot and thus, a hazard on track. In Monaco, he closed the door on Lewis and he did the exact same thing here even though Lewis was already practically alongside!! They only made contact though after Lewis braked to try and avoid but he was already RIGHT beside at one point!

This nutcase simply doesn't know how to race. He is probably worrying so much about his lap times due to being so freaking slow, he is failing to comprehend his most immediate surroundings and this is one major fail as a racer. Maybe that knock on the head has something to do with this I dont know.

[LewEngBridewell]

So all of a sudden MW can't make a comment without loads of people saying hes being horrible to Lewis or he loves Jenson.I think some people need to look at it from a non biased point of view,not for their blind love of Lewis.
I'm first and foremost a McLaren fan,if anything I prefer Lewis,on driving style alone.I can't see how the drivers at McLaren are getting treated anything other than fair.McLaren have a reputation of the drivers being treated with very high regard,something they don't get so much at other teams such as williams for example.
I think rather than blame MW people should take a look at just how Jenson has driven,when he arrived who thought he would challenge Lewis this well.Granted Lewis hasn't been on top of his game lately,perhaps Jenson's form got to him,but teammates have gotten to each other before.I still think most of Lewis's problems stem from his split with the pussey cat doll.

Agree with this. As I said above, despite what can easily be assumed from MW's latest statement, I do not feel he is the cause of Lewis' downturn. I made the comment that his latest words were a tad clumsy, because people will assume he's taking a massive preference over Jenson, which I don't feel he is.

There is no doubting that Jenson Button has shone in comparison this season, but then this season is drawing to a close anyway...

[racechick]

Brundle and particularly Coulthard show bias, ive said this before. They didnt even debate a penalty for Massa, only for Lewis. I think the bias in F1 is disgusting. Why is coulthard reporting on a race when he is employed by one of the competitors?

And you aren't biased for lewis? You are laughable.

Massa most certainly F'd up, but YOU need to remember just who you are talking about here, and how absolutely ridiculous you sound right now. Two british drivers, both very much fans of mclaren. You might be forgetting that they don't get the fancy camera angles on a moments notice. How many times have you heard them start commenting on something and the director switches to something else and they are just left in the cold.

Get over your self, and control your own biased.

I absolutely have a favourite driver and will always put his case. But then Im not paid to report on the BBC. And if I were I might feel a little uncomfortable about being paid by one of the competitors I report on.

Im not sure what you mean by I need to remember who Im talking about?

Its not just me saying this, its 'out there'. On the whole I like this reporting team but they above anyone should not get dragged into this 'guiltly because of who you' are game.

[PartsaS]

this is what Massa's logo on the car should look like;

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No Massa and his team are not obsessed with Hamilton

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[racechick]

Further to a point mentioned above. Guess who Coulthard still blames for the accident?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... India.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NOW he wants consisteant stewarding. David, we've been crying out for it for years!

[andrew]

Brundle and particularly Coulthard show bias, ive said this before. They didnt even debate a penalty for Massa, only for Lewis. I think the bias in F1 is disgusting. Why is coulthard reporting on a race when he is employed by one of the competitors?

And you aren't biased for lewis? You are laughable.

Massa most certainly F'd up, but YOU need to remember just who you are talking about here, and how absolutely ridiculous you sound right now. Two british drivers, both very much fans of mclaren. You might be forgetting that they don't get the fancy camera angles on a moments notice. How many times have you heard them start commenting on something and the director switches to something else and they are just left in the cold.

Get over your self, and control your own biased.

Ouch!