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[bud]

The sad thing is you own team is just as guilty of it, but you can't see that, because you are part of the Church of McLaren Holyness Jihad... McLaren only advertises driver equality because they know their biggest rival doesn't work that way and they are looking for votes.

Hamilton and Alonso
109 points apiece
4 wins apiece

yeah one driver got preferential treatment!! ALonso only made an all out cuffufle that he wasnt GETTING preferential treatment.

and ive already warned you about using "jihad" i guess people i know dying means s*** to you

[deMuRe]

The sad thing is you own team is just as guilty of it, but you can't see that, because you are part of the Church of McLaren Holyness Jihad... McLaren only advertises driver equality because they know their biggest rival doesn't work that way and they are looking for votes.

Hamilton and Alonso
109 points apiece
4 wins apiece

yeah one driver got preferential treatment!! ALonso only made an all out cuffufle that he wasnt GETTING preferential treatment.

and ive already warned you about using "jihad" i guess people i know dying means s*** to you

Sookie sookie la la bud, if you can give it you should be able to take it.

I think at the start of the season McLaren were prepared to support Alonso, I even remember a couple of races they gave Alonso a better strategy to keep him in front of Lewis. Lewis however was too damn quick and McLaren realised they didn't need to back Alonso to keep him happy, Hamilton was up to the task. So they let their drivers race.

I think towards the end of the season, where Ron Dennis was making quotes like "we" are racing Alonso the pendulum of political advantage had well and truly swung in Hamiltons favour.

[bud]

I think towards the end of the season, where Ron Dennis was making quotes like "we" are racing Alonso the pendulum of political advantage had well and truly swung in Hamiltons favour.

in China that was, by then Ron and everyone in the F1 world for that matter knew Alonso was not going to be at McLaren after Brazil.
he was no longer one of "us"

[nikon133]

Another factor for MS to retire - Massa was catching him up, despite the disadvantages.

Massa, even with no disadvantages, is not a scratch on Schumacher.

Well, he still is da man who dethroned Schumi... that has to count for something...

Please... in each of Alonso's title winning years he was the second-best driver. If only the McLaren was more reliable and the Ferrari just better, Alonso would never have been World Champion.

That kind of arguing is pointless. It is same as saying Hill would never get his title if Williams was not so dominant at the time; he was likely not the best driver on the grid. Or, that Schumi would never dethrone Mika if McLaren was more reliable, or that he would never be 5 time in a row champ if McLaren and Williams managed to have better packages.

At the end of the day, there is almost always potentially a bit better driver in much worst car, and what counts is not who could have won (if he had better car) but who did win.

Fact is, FA had more points than the others at the end of both seasons, and his second champ season car was probably not best package around. It is also fact that he was capable of winning when he could and driving very reliably when he could not, avoiding any stupid mistakes and minimising damage (something that LH failed to fully accomplish). I think his capability to keep it cool on track is one of his best qualities, but he is also fast as... and that makes him expensive property.

[deMuRe]

Another factor for MS to retire - Massa was catching him up, despite the disadvantages.

Massa, even with no disadvantages, is not a scratch on Schumacher.

Well, he still is da man who dethroned Schumi... that has to count for something...

Please... in each of Alonso's title winning years he was the second-best driver. If only the McLaren was more reliable and the Ferrari just better, Alonso would never have been World Champion.

That kind of arguing is pointless. It is same as saying Hill would never get his title if Williams was not so dominant at the time; he was likely not the best driver on the grid. Or, that Schumi would never dethrone Mika if McLaren was more reliable, or that he would never be 5 time in a row champ if McLaren and Williams managed to have better packages.

At the end of the day, there is almost always potentially a bit better driver in much worst car, and what counts is not who could have won (if he had better car) but who did win.

Fact is, FA had more points than the others at the end of both seasons, and his second champ season car was probably not best package around. It is also fact that he was capable of winning when he could and driving very reliably when he could not, avoiding any stupid mistakes and minimising damage (something that LH failed to fully accomplish). I think his capability to keep it cool on track is one of his best qualities, but he is also fast as... and that makes him expensive property.

Good post, I can understand McLaren Fans being upset with Alonso, that's natural. However, he's still fast as fook and I'm sure there will be a buzz in the Renault garages next season...

[texasmr2]

Anyone who doubt's Alonso's speed and skill behind the wheel has not been paying attention imo. Just because I dont like him on a personal basis, cemented by this past year's fiasco, should not mean that we should not respect his driving skill.

[McLaren Fan]

Another factor for MS to retire - Massa was catching him up, despite the disadvantages.

Massa, even with no disadvantages, is not a scratch on Schumacher.

Well, he still is da man who dethroned Schumi... that has to count for something...

Please... in each of Alonso's title winning years he was the second-best driver. If only the McLaren was more reliable and the Ferrari just better, Alonso would never have been World Champion.

That kind of arguing is pointless. It is same as saying Hill would never get his title if Williams was not so dominant at the time; he was likely not the best driver on the grid. Or, that Schumi would never dethrone Mika if McLaren was more reliable, or that he would never be 5 time in a row champ if McLaren and Williams managed to have better packages.

At the end of the day, there is almost always potentially a bit better driver in much worst car, and what counts is not who could have won (if he had better car) but who did win.

Fact is, FA had more points than the others at the end of both seasons, and his second champ season car was probably not best package around. It is also fact that he was capable of winning when he could and driving very reliably when he could not, avoiding any stupid mistakes and minimising damage (something that LH failed to fully accomplish). I think his capability to keep it cool on track is one of his best qualities, but he is also fast as... and that makes him expensive property.

Good post, I can understand McLaren Fans being upset with Alonso, that's natural. However, he's still fast as fook and I'm sure there will be a buzz in the Renault garages next season...

It's got nothing to do with me being upset with Alonso. I'm merely pointing out that some people think because you have won a world title that you are some how automatically a better driver than what you really are. Let's say Hamilton is more gifted than Alonso, why should McLaren back Alonso just because he has two titles from being the second-best driver? The fact is Raikkonen was the better driver in 2005 and Schumacher was the better driver in 2006. Although they didn't win the title, I would have employed both of them ahead of Alonso. Finally, Alonso is a great driver. I wish things worked out differently last season: he is good at car setup, excellent at overtaking and whilst not being the fastest, he is still very fast.

[redstreak]

There is no denying Fernando is amazing...he did impact the greatest. The best thing about him going to Renault is that there will be a minimum of 3 competitive teams all year....Mclaren Renault and Ferrari all have the ability to win races...not to mention the obvious improvement of BMW, they could probably contend for a win...and who knows maybe Braun can make his own competitive team. This could ultimately be one of the most evenly contested seasons we have ever seen.

[nikon133]

Another factor for MS to retire - Massa was catching him up, despite the disadvantages.

Massa, even with no disadvantages, is not a scratch on Schumacher.

Well, he still is da man who dethroned Schumi... that has to count for something...

Please... in each of Alonso's title winning years he was the second-best driver. If only the McLaren was more reliable and the Ferrari just better, Alonso would never have been World Champion.

That kind of arguing is pointless. It is same as saying Hill would never get his title if Williams was not so dominant at the time; he was likely not the best driver on the grid. Or, that Schumi would never dethrone Mika if McLaren was more reliable, or that he would never be 5 time in a row champ if McLaren and Williams managed to have better packages.

At the end of the day, there is almost always potentially a bit better driver in much worst car, and what counts is not who could have won (if he had better car) but who did win.

Fact is, FA had more points than the others at the end of both seasons, and his second champ season car was probably not best package around. It is also fact that he was capable of winning when he could and driving very reliably when he could not, avoiding any stupid mistakes and minimising damage (something that LH failed to fully accomplish). I think his capability to keep it cool on track is one of his best qualities, but he is also fast as... and that makes him expensive property.

Good post, I can understand McLaren Fans being upset with Alonso, that's natural. However, he's still fast as fook and I'm sure there will be a buzz in the Renault garages next season...

It's got nothing to do with me being upset with Alonso. I'm merely pointing out that some people think because you have won a world title that you are some how automatically a better driver than what you really are. Let's say Hamilton is more gifted than Alonso, why should McLaren back Alonso just because he has two titles from being the second-best driver? The fact is Raikkonen was the better driver in 2005 and Schumacher was the better driver in 2006. Although they didn't win the title, I would have employed both of them ahead of Alonso. Finally, Alonso is a great driver. I wish things worked out differently last season: he is good at car setup, excellent at overtaking and whilst not being the fastest, he is still very fast.

It is very hard to measure giftedness... I can also recall a handful of very gifted young drivers that never grew up to be champions.

You think LH is more gifted than FA - fine. Me, I think LH has potential to grow up into better package than FA is, but I don't think he is already there and will he reach that potential remains to be seen. As someone mentioned before, there were young drivers promising to be shining stars on their early seasons, but ending as a falling stars. For me, right here, right now, FA is still better choice as whole and better known variable. And I don't really like either.

[racechick]

There is no denying Fernando is amazing...he did impact the greatest. The best thing about him going to Renault is that there will be a minimum of 3 competitive teams all year....Mclaren Renault and Ferrari all have the ability to win races...not to mention the obvious improvement of BMW, they could probably contend for a win...and who knows maybe Braun can make his own competitive team. This could ultimately be one of the most evenly contested seasons we have ever seen.

Yes. Like him or not there is no denying fernando is a pretty good driver..... but there are as good as and better out there. Could be a great season I agree.......if max and his band of monkeys keep their dirty paws out

[TURBOSIS]

People of F1,

Please refrain from disrespecting the League of Champions and
embrace the youngest member of the League's History (FA).

[texasmr2]

What does the League of Champion's have to do with F1 ?

[bud]

League of Champions is a league only applicable to those who have won F1 world championships.

Kimi is the newest member

[TURBOSIS]

[quote="bud"]League of Champions is a league only applicable to those who have won F1 world championships.

Kimi is the newest member [/quote

Very well said buddy. In F1, there are losers and there are winners. Winners are part of this League. Its also a new way of differentiation between elite drivers and normal ones.
Alonso, Kimi, Schumi, Villenueve and his son, Nigel, Prost, Senna, Mikka are all winners.

So lets start respecting winners and compare them with other winners and lets forget about the losers till the day they are crowned as an elite driver.

[racechick]

There are some superb drivers, better than some in your list who never have won an F1 championship. That is not the definitive way of measuring the best, other things need taking into account. Having said that most in your list are excellent drivers.