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[andrew]

I think Scientology is a bit more progressive in their attitude to premartial relations

Urban Dictionary: premartial schmex:
1. having consensual schmex before having served in the military.

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[Hamilonso]

The irony of this modern day populist anti-spiritual movement is that as a catholic myself, when fellow catholics and i do tend to rarely engage in philosophical conversation, we laugh at how "non-believers" seem to think we actually think the gospel and holy bible is word for word like the actual events, in the grand scheme of things especially nowadays, not so much in the past, but nowadays we're catholic by birth and its the moral teachings of the bible that we live to raise our children by etc.

That said i know no catholics that read the bible nor does myself, and only some even go mass for just xmas. Its more a type of upbringing then religion.

[darwin dali]

I think Scientology is a bit more progressive in their attitude to premartial relations

Urban Dictionary: premartial schmex:
1. having consensual schmex before having served in the military.

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Nah, only when it turns out to be funny.

[darwin dali]

The irony of this modern day populist anti-spiritual movement is that as a catholic myself, when fellow catholics and i do tend to rarely engage in philosophical conversation, we laugh at how "non-believers" seem to think we actually think the gospel and holy bible is word for word like the actual events, in the grand scheme of things especially nowadays, not so much in the past, but nowadays we're catholic by birth and its the moral teachings of the bible that we live to raise our children by etc.

That said i know no catholics that read the bible nor does myself, and only some even go mass for just xmas. Its more a type of upbringing then religion.

I have yet to see a newborn that's not an atheist. Only after the parents (or whoever) spoon feed their BS to the child, they become whatever.

[andrew]

I think Scientology is a bit more progressive in their attitude to premartial relations

Urban Dictionary: premartial schmex:
1. having consensual schmex before having served in the military.

Spelling police!

Nah, only when it turns out to be funny.

Better start running a spell checker on all your posts DD, I'll be checking.

The irony of this modern day populist anti-spiritual movement is that as a catholic myself, when fellow catholics and i do tend to rarely engage in philosophical conversation, we laugh at how "non-believers" seem to think we actually think the gospel and holy bible is word for word like the actual events, in the grand scheme of things especially nowadays, not so much in the past, but nowadays we're catholic by birth and its the moral teachings of the bible that we live to raise our children by etc.

That said i know no catholics that read the bible nor does myself, and only some even go mass for just xmas. Its more a type of upbringing then religion.

I think there are some people that believe the Bible word for word and try to live within its (mixed) messages - kind of like a real life Ned Flanders. Then there are the whack jobs that take the teachings of the book of their particular religion too far and use it to hide behind. Then there are the ones that knock on your door trying to recruit you - they're really annoying, especially when after telling them to sling their hook they are still unbelievably nice! Takes all the enjoyment out of being an a-hole. If it were up to me I'd ban all religion. It causes far too much trouble.

It's not that I'm anti-spiritual it's just that (as the song says) I believe in nothing but it is my nothing.

Actually I believe in spirits. Whisky, vodka, rum, gin etc etc.

[Hamilonso]

The irony of this modern day populist anti-spiritual movement is that as a catholic myself, when fellow catholics and i do tend to rarely engage in philosophical conversation, we laugh at how "non-believers" seem to think we actually think the gospel and holy bible is word for word like the actual events, in the grand scheme of things especially nowadays, not so much in the past, but nowadays we're catholic by birth and its the moral teachings of the bible that we live to raise our children by etc.

That said i know no catholics that read the bible nor does myself, and only some even go mass for just xmas. Its more a type of upbringing then religion.

I have yet to see a newborn that's not an atheist. Only after the parents (or whoever) spoon feed their BS to the child, they become whatever.

Even though at the snap of a finger i could disown my passive faith? Hardly indoctrination really.


Sure a lot are, but you want to point the finger at protestants (not to start a flame war) and amish etc folk for indoctrination, think bible belt usa.

Catholics arent the worst of teh bunch by far, and we dont think of making love to the pope every sunday eve either, hes wrong on so many levels, but that will change, trust me, former popes were far worse, and theyve only got better, John Paul 2nd was much more liberal then Benedict, and the younger the popes get in time a more liberal world theyll HAVE to make allowances for. Shouldnt judge 1 billion plus people on the thoughts of the head of the church.

Just sayin'

Andrew, i too would probably get rid of it all, but retain the teachings in terms of morals, the moral fabric of modern day societies is sickening.

[bud]

The irony of this modern day populist anti-spiritual movement is that as a catholic myself, when fellow catholics and i do tend to rarely engage in philosophical conversation, we laugh at how "non-believers" seem to think we actually think the gospel and holy bible is word for word like the actual events, in the grand scheme of things especially nowadays, not so much in the past, but nowadays we're catholic by birth and its the moral teachings of the bible that we live to raise our children by etc.

That said i know no catholics that read the bible nor does myself, and only some even go mass for just xmas. Its more a type of upbringing then religion.

I have yet to see a newborn that's not an atheist. Only after the parents (or whoever) spoon feed their BS to the child, they become whatever.

Born catholic, give me a break! My sister married a half Italian whos Nonna would not attend the wedding unless it was in a catholic church. Secondly the first child born had to be baptized catholic yet the father does not go to church does not even follow the religion yet again had to for Nonna. This type of mentality pisses me off, most of Christian beliefs stem from pagan norse religion anyway, Easter, father Christmas I could go on.
Its hard to believe a story that's been chopped and changed by a bunch of Italian cult members for thousands of years in this modern age.

[darwin dali]

Its hard to believe a story that's been chopped and changed by a bunch of Italian cult members for thousands of years in this modern age.

I'm sure Luca Cordero di Montezemolo was partially responsible for this as well?

[acosmichippo]

The irony of this modern day populist anti-spiritual movement is that as a catholic myself, when fellow catholics and i do tend to rarely engage in philosophical conversation, we laugh at how "non-believers" seem to think we actually think the gospel and holy bible is word for word like the actual events, in the grand scheme of things especially nowadays, not so much in the past, but nowadays we're catholic by birth and its the moral teachings of the bible that we live to raise our children by etc.

That said i know no catholics that read the bible nor does myself, and only some even go mass for just xmas. Its more a type of upbringing then religion.

I have yet to see a newborn that's not an atheist. Only after the parents (or whoever) spoon feed their BS to the child, they become whatever.

Or until they encounter something they can't figure out with their intuition.

[darwin dali]

The irony of this modern day populist anti-spiritual movement is that as a catholic myself, when fellow catholics and i do tend to rarely engage in philosophical conversation, we laugh at how "non-believers" seem to think we actually think the gospel and holy bible is word for word like the actual events, in the grand scheme of things especially nowadays, not so much in the past, but nowadays we're catholic by birth and its the moral teachings of the bible that we live to raise our children by etc.

That said i know no catholics that read the bible nor does myself, and only some even go mass for just xmas. Its more a type of upbringing then religion.

I have yet to see a newborn that's not an atheist. Only after the parents (or whoever) spoon feed their BS to the child, they become whatever.

Or until they encounter something they can't figure out with their intuition.

No, they should be guided to a library by their parents...

[acosmichippo]

should be, yes.

[racechick]

There's no evidence that children of athiests are not brought up to be good moral citizens. Children who dont behave in a socially acceptable way, generally, though not always, are a result of bad parenting.

[bud]

There's no evidence that children of athiests are not brought up to be good moral citizens. Children who dont behave in a socially acceptable way, generally, though not always, are a result of bad parenting.

well for example the gangs of the US in the 20's were mostly Italian and Irish right? Both Catholic god fearing folk, i guess being able to go and repent a killing here and there few hail Mary's and every things ok, made it easy to be a gangster.

Not having a religion does not mean you have no morals.

[Hamilonso]

There's no evidence that children of athiests are not brought up to be good moral citizens. Children who dont behave in a socially acceptable way, generally, though not always, are a result of bad parenting.

Well i personally think the lack of elder respect, lack of sexual moral, lack of gratitude, extreme selfishness, extreme materialism, general lack of respect, etc etc so on and so forth that has gradually become worse and worse lets say since....1960, to tie in the the massive decline in religious following is more then coincidence. I was watching a programme called worlds stricted parents on bbc three, where British tearaway teens are sent to foreign lands to see what real life is really like for some people, they went to a bible bashing house in olklahoma where the parent-child relationship with firm but loving each way, they went to a hindu mans house in india, same there, catholic family in i think nigeria or somewhere, and i quote the nigerian mother " The moral fabric of the United Kingdom is weakening"

Nobody has said religion is the be all and end all, but its much more likely to set a child on a righteous moral path in life then those without, even italian gangsters have more respect for their nonnas then the average UK teenager.

As for citing lack of evidence, evidence is factual proof, and on subjects like these, factual proof isnt applicable, because it cant be, we're debating a relatively unprovable theory.

[andrew]

There's no evidence that children of athiests are not brought up to be good moral citizens. Children who dont behave in a socially acceptable way, generally, though not always, are a result of bad parenting.

True that. I've been brought up with no religion excpet what was forced on me at school (don't bother teaching kids how to read, write and count properly but as long as they believe a fairy story then that's ok! ) but I still know what's right and what's wrong. I didn't need no Bible to tell me how to behave.