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#280199
The low downforce was caused by debris from tyres getting stuck in the front wing on hamilton's car, made it v hard to driva and loct about .4a lap. Jensons front wing had dammage from a rock hitting it.
#280202
Whitmarsh is blaming low downforce for the McLaren's losing to vetTEL at Korea. Except the McLaren's lumps are up by at least 25 bhp. And the faster McLaren's trap speed was less than 4 kph faster than the slowest Red Bull. Which begs the question, if they were so short on downforce, whenceforth came all that drag?


Understeer my friend, which obviously affects the car whilst cornering. Speed trap stats are irrelevant to this discussion.
#280206
Different gear ratios could account for that.

But that's not the case, something that was said on the BBC race commentary, the teams have to choose their gear ratios before the season starts, this is why there has been so much talk of gearing that was too short, teams would not deliberately sabotage their own cars with short ratios if they had the freedom to change them during the race weekend!

The impression I got from that was the teams have to have a group of gear ratio "presets" to use throughout the season - not pick one gear ratio set for the whole season.

I didn't mean they had one set of ratios for the whole season, they set ratios in advance on each of the gearboxes allowed and they just swap gearboxes that work best for any given track...

The rules you posted seem odd and very contradictory, what's the point of sealing gearboxes if that seal can be broken any time before FP3! :confused:

Whitmarsh is blaming low downforce for the McLaren's losing to vetTEL at Korea. Except the McLaren's lumps are up by at least 25 bhp. And the faster McLaren's trap speed was less than 4 kph faster than the slowest Red Bull. Which begs the question, if they were so short on downforce, whenceforth came all that drag?

Understeer my friend, which obviously affects the car whilst cornering. Speed trap stats are irrelevant to this discussion.

Not necessarily true; the speed possible through the speed trap is reliant on getting a good exit from the previous corner, if the front is washing out, the driver will have to wait to get on the power; then surely the maximum speed through the trap can not be achieved because they will be slower all the way down the straight!
#280211
The speed trap was on the long straight no? Plenty of straight line speed build up not reliant on the exit speed from the previous turn.

Besides McLaren had better exit speed to the RedBull, Webber noted this in his battle with Hamilton. This was down to mech grip not aero.
#280213
The speed trap was on the long straight no? Plenty of straight line speed build up not reliant on the exit speed from the previous turn.

Besides McLaren had better exit speed to the RedBull, Webber noted this in his battle with Hamilton. This was down to mech grip not aero.

In this case you are correct; I was just pointing out that as a general statement, it is flawed; but re-reading your post; I missed the irrelevant to this discussion bit, so it's my bad! :oops:
#280245
Different gear ratios could account for that.

But that's not the case, something that was said on the BBC race commentary, the teams have to choose their gear ratios before the season starts, this is why there has been so much talk of gearing that was too short, teams would not deliberately sabotage their own cars with short ratios if they had the freedom to change them during the race weekend!

The impression I got from that was the teams have to have a group of gear ratio "presets" to use throughout the season - not pick one gear ratio set for the whole season.

I didn't mean they had one set of ratios for the whole season, they set ratios in advance on each of the gearboxes allowed and they just swap gearboxes that work best for any given track...


The rules you posted seem odd and very contradictory, what's the point of sealing gearboxes if that seal can be broken any time before FP3! :confused:


I thought the gearboxes have to last 5 consecutive races. Hence the need to break the seal to adjust the gears for each race.

edit: from the same section of the regs:

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules ... 9/fia.html

28.6.a) Each driver may use no more than one gearbox for five consecutive Events in which his team competes.
#280246
The rules you posted seem odd and very contradictory, what's the point of sealing gearboxes if that seal can be broken any time before FP3! :confused:

I thought the gearboxes have to last 5 consecutive races. Hence the need to break the seal to adjust the gears for each race.

I remember commentators mentioning that in the past as well; I'm very confused, sealed gearboxes that can be unsealed before FP3... there has to be more to it than that, otherwise the rules make no sense whatsoever... but this is the FIA rulebook so it's not meant to be clear and make sense!!!
#280248
The rules you posted seem odd and very contradictory, what's the point of sealing gearboxes if that seal can be broken any time before FP3! :confused:

I thought the gearboxes have to last 5 consecutive races. Hence the need to break the seal to adjust the gears for each race.

I remember commentators mentioning that in the past as well; I'm very confused, sealed gearboxes that can be unsealed before FP3... there has to be more to it than that, otherwise the rules make no sense whatsoever... but this is the FIA rulebook so it's not meant to be clear and make sense!!!


They can only be unsealed once and it must be done under supervision of a FIA official.
#280249
Presumably the seals are only there for the scrutineers to make sure the teams don't adjust the gears more than once, or more than 2 hours after FP2. So if they ever find a broken seal, grid penalty.
#280253
Presumably the seals are only there for the scrutineers to make sure the teams don't adjust the gears more than once, or more than 2 hours after FP2. So if they ever find a broken seal, grid penalty.


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#280254
Presumably the seals are only there for the scrutineers to make sure the teams don't adjust the gears more than once, or more than 2 hours after FP2. So if they ever find a broken seal, grid penalty.


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#280306
The low downforce was caused by debris from tyres getting stuck in the front wing on hamilton's car, made it v hard to driva and loct about .4a lap.


That a fact? Bizarre. There were tonnes of marbles though. I'd be surprised if that hadn't happened to others this season too. Can't believe Webber couldn't pass him tbh.

What the hell is wrong with Massa? Seems like all season he's started of races well then fallen away.
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