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[bud]

Scotty has nothing to do with someone being made scapegoat, not on my part. This is what it is and I don't think I've ever heard this type of comment from an engineer about a competitor. But when you think about it Massa was on primes Hamilton option. Asking Massa to fight a battle he would not win and putting all blame on Hamilton because there was a Racing incident is bs if you ask me.

[LewEngBridewell]

At the end of the day, it's just funny that the comment from Rob came just before Massa's race was f****d.

Also at the end of the day, any other team would've fired Massa by now, because he really is diabolical, but the Scuderia really do love a second-fiddle to help hoist the number 1 guy onto the pedestal.

Massa may blame Hamilton for ruining his race, but his "race" would've been thoroughly unspectacular anyway. He'd have finished miles away from the top 5 AGAIN, without a doubt.

At least he actually got some TV coverage, as a result of the collision.

[myownalias]

I wonder if he breaked just a little harder as hamilton tucked back in. You know really trying to be the good Ferrari emplyee, follow his instructions to the T...Then he remembered the radio message, thinks.."OH POO!" Better get all indignant about this.

That thought did cross my mind and wrote exactly the same on my blog before coming to the forum... it looked like Hamilton was trying to tuck in behind Massa, *if* Massa did brake a little harder than needed, then it was a racing incident as a proportion of the blame has to go to each party involved, both drivers suffered damage, punishing one driver and not the other is wrong!

[andrew]

I wonder if he breaked just a little harder as hamilton tucked back in. You know really trying to be the good Ferrari emplyee, follow his instructions to the T...Then he remembered the radio message, thinks.."OH POO!" Better get all indignant about this.

That thought did cross my mind and wrote exactly the same on my blog before coming to the forum... it looked like Hamilton was trying to tuck in behind Massa, *if* Massa did brake a little harder than needed, then it was a racing incident as a proportion of the blame has to go to each party involved, both drivers suffered damage, punishing one driver and not the other is wrong!

Massa braking harder or earlier than he would normally have is laughable. The race stewards have access to all the telemetry from the teams. If Massa had braked earlier or harder then it would have been obvious to them.

Hamilton carried too much speed and hit the back of Massa. Simple as that, driver error. These things happen.

[Bubbie]

Problem is that with this information it makes me look at the incident differently. Massa was not racing, he was trying to impede Hamilton. In that case, I can see Hamilton getting a little frustrated while trying to undercut him (and slightly miscalculating). Reminds me a lot of Webber's pass on Alonso as a matter of fact, just the RB7 is a little shorter than the McLaren.

I was on the "racing incident" side before, this just confirms for me that no penalty should have been issued to Hamilton.

[LewEngBridewell]

I was on the "racing incident" side before, this just confirms for me that no penalty should have been issued to Hamilton.

But that's where we come to how the FIA treat McLaren and Ferrari. It's interesting isn't it?

[andrew]

I was on the "racing incident" side before, this just confirms for me that no penalty should have been issued to Hamilton.

But that's where we come to how the FIA treat McLaren and Ferrari. It's interesting isn't it?

Not really.

[kerc]

This is my view on the whole thing:

First of all, this was a racing incident. Hamilton wasn't unnecessarily reckless; he barely touched Massa's car, with the unfortunate effect of slicing a tire. I've seen far worse stuff go unpunished. So I think the penalty for Hamilton was undeserved.

Second, Massa made a big brouhaha of the whole thing. I'm have a feeling that he was told to do so by the Scuderia, to exaggerate things, blow them out of proportion, and to make sure everything was done on camera. It's a way to dirty up McLaren's and Hamilton's reputations. Massa has been crying up and down the paddock, complaining and venting in front of every mic someone places in front of his face. Too much noise about nothing. He is insecure and whiny.

Lastly, and on the thread subject, Smedley was a bit of a dweeb for using that vocabulary, knowing how the press and everyone in F1 is walking on eggshells. I fail to see any sinister implications on his words--he was basically telling Massa to hold up Hamilton, something that Massa can be quite proficient at (Massa Trains, anyone?), and mess up his race. Simple as that.

Did Massa get overenthusiastic and brake too early? Maybe. Perhaps that's where some of his frustrations come from.

[darwin dali]

This is my view on the whole thing:

First of all, this was a racing incident. Hamilton wasn't unnecessarily reckless; he barely touched Massa's car, with the unfortunate effect of slicing a tire. I've seen far worse stuff go unpunished. So I think the penalty for Hamilton was undeserved.

Second, Massa made a big brouhaha of the whole thing. I'm have a feeling that he was told to do so by the Scuderia, to exaggerate things, blow them out of proportion, and to make sure everything was done on camera. It's a way to dirty up McLaren's and Hamilton's reputations. Massa has been crying up and down the paddock, complaining and venting in front of every mic someone places in front of his face. Too much noise about nothing. He is insecure and whiny.

Lastly, and on the thread subject, Smedley was a bit of a dweeb for using that vocabulary, knowing how the press and everyone in F1 is walking on eggshells. I fail to see any sinister implications on his words--he was basically telling Massa to hold up Hamilton, something that Massa can be quite proficient at (Massa Trains, anyone?), and mess up his race. Simple as that.

Did Massa get overenthusiastic and brake too early? Maybe. Perhaps that's where some of his frustrations come from.

Me thinks it's the Trulli train...

[NocturnalTendencies]

It's just French for "make it difficult for LH to pass"... drama queen news reports...

[kerc]

This is my view on the whole thing:

First of all, this was a racing incident. Hamilton wasn't unnecessarily reckless; he barely touched Massa's car, with the unfortunate effect of slicing a tire. I've seen far worse stuff go unpunished. So I think the penalty for Hamilton was undeserved.

Second, Massa made a big brouhaha of the whole thing. I'm have a feeling that he was told to do so by the Scuderia, to exaggerate things, blow them out of proportion, and to make sure everything was done on camera. It's a way to dirty up McLaren's and Hamilton's reputations. Massa has been crying up and down the paddock, complaining and venting in front of every mic someone places in front of his face. Too much noise about nothing. He is insecure and whiny.

Lastly, and on the thread subject, Smedley was a bit of a dweeb for using that vocabulary, knowing how the press and everyone in F1 is walking on eggshells. I fail to see any sinister implications on his words--he was basically telling Massa to hold up Hamilton, something that Massa can be quite proficient at (Massa Trains, anyone?), and mess up his race. Simple as that.

Did Massa get overenthusiastic and brake too early? Maybe. Perhaps that's where some of his frustrations come from.

Me thinks it's the Trulli train...

You cannot say Massa doesn't learn from his elders.

[bud]

Massa braking harder or earlier than he would normally have is laughable.

Well considering he was on the inside, off the racing line, the law of physics says he had to brake harder and earlier take the corner in doing so slower than Hamilton. This was not a deliberate act by Massa this is just racing nor was Hamiltons attempt to tuck in behind him a deliberate act. Most commonly called a racing incident by most scholars.

[andrew]

Massa being told to destroy Hamiltons race is not quite as bad as Barrichello being told to kill Heidfeld.

Flashback: Barrichello told to ‘kill’ Heidfeld

[bud]

Holding someone up is kinda different to chasing someone down, I think was pisses most people off is that fact.

[racechick]

Massa being told to destroy Hamiltons race is not quite as bad as Barrichello being told to kill Heidfeld.

Flashback: Barrichello told to ‘kill’ Heidfeld

Surely you realise the different way in which the words were used? the word kill was not used literally, the word destroy was.