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#270179
How is it not Bernies fault? He is responsible for the large price he makes the governments pay to host GPs these costs are then passed on to the ticket prices.

Bernie doesn't care where races are held only who can pay the most to host them.


Yep. Thats about it.
#270189
Give them a chance? They've had since 2005!!


Attendance at Barcelona was crap until Alonso turned up.


Soo true :thumbup: And just in 6 years you cant make a nation interested in a sport.

As I have said Istanbul Park has one good corner, which is hardly unique to this track. Other than that it is one of the dullest tracks on the calander and is totally forgettable. The way I see it, the Turkish people have had their chance to host an F1 race, most of them were not interested for whatever reason, the track is making virtually nothing so give the race to a location where it will be well attended. Pretty simple business planning and sound common sence.


Just one?Not really.I went to watch the race there and the first turn was also awesome.Some people watched the race at other stands say that they understood Turn 8 wasnt the only good thing about the track.And there might be less attandence but Turkish people who attend there have the soul of being an F1 fan and doesnt deserve their country out of the calendar.


The Turks dont care about losing their race on the whole, everyone else does cause its a good track.


Noo,not true :nono: We really try to make our voice heard but no result!


Bernie doesn't care where races are held only who can pay the most to host them.


Seems right.I didnt really believe him when he said:''I am sadder than you.'' to Turkish f1 fans.
#270193
Well ive listened elfinnity but given the current situation with your circuit and being a Turkish F1 fan i have to take your opinion on "Turks want the race" with a fair few pinches of salt. You would say that, you dont want to lose it.

But there are certain countries you know F1 is a big sport, Turkey is not one of them.

Whether thats someones fault or you deserve it is totally irrelevant, Turkey is not a known F1 loving nation, because it isnt. You may have friends that love F1 or it may know of F1 but it isnt dedicated to F1.

Of course i could be wrong but im quite confident in what im saying........

Either way it was hardly my point, the point was that Ecclestone didnt take into account the market he was selling to, so its his fault.
#270235
How is it not Bernies fault? He is responsible for the large price he makes the governments pay to host GPs these costs are then passed on to the ticket prices.

Bernie doesn't care where races are held only who can pay the most to host them.


If the Governments are not happy with the amount charged for hosting a GP then they should learn to negotiate better. Simple as that.

MrE owns the rights to F1 so basically he can charge as much or as little as he wants as long as the demand is there from countries who want to host an F1 race. Ultimately, the Turkish Government have agreed to host an F1 race that is not a financial success. As such, it is pointless to keep a loss making event on the calendar, especially when there are other venues which will generate a decent income. Very basic and simple economics really.

Just one?Not really.I went to watch the race there and the first turn was also awesome.Some people watched the race at other stands say that they understood Turn 8 wasnt the only good thing about the track.And there might be less attandence but Turkish people who attend there have the soul of being an F1 fan and doesnt deserve their country out of the calendar.


I’ve watched every Turkish GP since 2006 and to be honest I’ve found the races largely boring, just personal preference, but I would much rather see a race at Imola.

Do you know of a thing called Market Research?, the poor turnout in Turkey is entirely the misjudgement of Ecclestone, the assumption you make that if Turkey want to keep their race they should get people to go doesnt make sense. The Turks dont care about losing their race on the whole, everyone else does cause its a good track.


The poor turn out is also a misjudgement by the Turkish Government thinking that there will be enough of an interest in F1 for them to hold a race for the long term. Clearly there is not or else the race would not be under threat.

Maybe if ticket prices were lower, more people may go. The only way to do this is some how get more people interested - which I assume reasonable attempts have already been made to do this. The Turkish GP has not been enough of a fruitful endeavor for anyone really.

The way I see it is the Turk’s have agreed to pay MrE however much it is (ok some of this amount will come from the public money but the aim will be to have this amount as low as possible) per race so the ticket prices have to high enough to cover this sum. Obviously if only 1 ticket is sold then that one person is going to pay a hell of a lot more than if 100,000 tickets are sold.

Ultimately, the Turkish Government have a signed a contract and by virtue of this have agreed to all costs, clauses etc. If they have not carried out sufficient forward planning or understood what they were signing then that is their problem. It is an ugly truth that will upset a lot of people but conversely it will be good news to others who will be wanting to take Turkey’s place on the calendar.
#270272
Is it Bernie's problem if Turkey aren't making a profit? He just wants getting paid, I think there are plenty of races on the f1 calender that don't make a profit. Probably what happened is the event hosters decided it wasn't worth the cost anymore, or Bernie demanded a new, higher price which they didn't want to meet.
#270286
You line my pocket and i'll line yours. maybe Turkey havent got the pocket lining Bernie currently desires. To hell with what drivers and F1 fans think. Despite the fact that without drivers and fans there would be no lining for Bernie whatsoever.
#270670
Well ive listened elfinnity but given the current situation with your circuit and being a Turkish F1 fan i have to take your opinion on "Turks want the race" with a fair few pinches of salt. You would say that, you dont want to lose it.

But there are certain countries you know F1 is a big sport, Turkey is not one of them.

Whether thats someones fault or you deserve it is totally irrelevant, Turkey is not a known F1 loving nation, because it isnt. You may have friends that love F1 or it may know of F1 but it isnt dedicated to F1.

Of course i could be wrong but im quite confident in what im saying........

Either way it was hardly my point, the point was that Ecclestone didnt take into account the market he was selling to, so its his fault.


You are kinda right that F1 isnt the most popular sport here but as i said for several times before it is a new sport here thats why this happens.Yes,i do have F1 fan friends and theres Turkish f1 sites like this one and people in these sites all want to save the Turkish GP.However right know since fans cant pay the money theres not much we can do.I am just speaking for these fans because they try very hard to make people hear us


Ultimately, the Turkish Government have a signed a contract and by virtue of this have agreed to all costs, clauses etc. If they have not carried out sufficient forward planning or understood what they were signing then that is their problem. It is an ugly truth that will upset a lot of people but conversely it will be good news to others who will be wanting to take Turkey’s place on the calendar.


I wish this was real but not because i havent heard such news maybe this is a rumor?
#277478
[url=Turkey on standby for 2012 Bahrain axe - report]http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Turkey-on-standby-for-2012-Bahrain-axe-report,30652.html[/url]


:yes:

I know which one of those two circuits I'd rather have on the calendar! 8-)
#277479
[url=Turkey on standby for 2012 Bahrain axe - report]http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Turkey-on-standby-for-2012-Bahrain-axe-report,30652.html[/url]


:yes:

I know which one of those two circuits I'd rather have on the calendar! 8-)


Istanbul Park is better than Bahrain but neither are spectacular.

We want Imola or an extra round at Spa! :hehe:
#277702
PLEASE PLEASE BERNIE BRING TURKEY BACK!WE NEED IT.But to be reasonable i should say : PLEASE PAY 26 MILLION DOLLARS to the government .That track is lovely and of course i would like a gp in my country.But Bernie can throw Bahrain away and put Turkey instead.Feel that soul of f1 ,Bernie! :D
#277742
I'd rather Turkey than Bahrain, hopefully this happens.


:yes:

Get those grandstands filled, and it'd be an amazing venue. The layout is top-notch, just need the atmosphere.
#277804
I'd rather Turkey than Bahrain, hopefully this happens.


:yes:

Get those grandstands filled, and it'd be an amazing venue. The layout is top-notch, just need the atmosphere.


Actually the grandstands were filled this year.I watched the race from there,and as far as i saw it was.But there should have been a better atmosphere,i agree that.

Briefly,I hope Turkish GP will come back
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