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[andrew]

Well if it's a proper race, then Massa can have no complaints of he gets hit then. Whats Lewis meant to do?? Keep behind him for the whole race at 40mph and ruin any chance of a decent finish. It works both ways, so why was Massa getting annoyed. If he had not blocked Lewis, he would have saved himself the bloody puncture.

He's meant to go past without hitting the car in front. He's managed it before. Massa was annoyed as he had an extra pitstop that screwed hs race through no fault of his own whatsoever.

Massa was blocking as they were fighting for position. Massa was not being lapped. So no, it does not work both ways. You'd have a point if Massa had turned in on Hamilton when Hamilton was up the inside or if Massa had braked too early but he didn't. It was not Massa's fault that Hamilton hit his tyre. It was Hamilton carrying too much speed into the corner and running out of space.

[racechick]

Im talking about Rosberg on perez not his corner cutting.

Rosberg gave the places back in the next few corners. No penalty required.

Rosberg on Perez; Scumacher on Perez and hamilton on masssa. All collisions. All should have been treated the same. all three of those drivers caused collisions.

They were treated the same. One was a lot more avoidable than the other. Plus Schumacher was out of the race so they're hadly going to give him a drive-through are they? A reprimand and a fine was the only reasonable course of action available to the stewards.

2 cars turning into a corner at once and colliding is LESS avoidable than driving into the back of someone, unless they stop way too fast, which didn't happen. Schumacher was just getting too close before starting to overtake. Rosberg should have got a penalty for pushing Perez off the track, if Perez didn't bail then Rosberg would have caused severe damage and got a penalty, so it's partly down to the victim what happens in an incident.

This is my point, and it shouldnt be, its not in the rules that an incident's severity, or punishability will be determind by any damage inflicted on the other car.

[f1boy]

I'd rather watch Lewis than boring Massa and the other pedal cart efforts (at least half the grid these days).
It's like a slow death watching most of the drivers these days, as they would rather play it safe than actually race. Anyone who tries to pass is crashed into or driven off the road by the horse and cart men.

Oh how tedious!!

[Darriele]

I really dont know why i bother spending irreplacable minutes of my life reading this forum, full of arrogant nutjobs.

Before anyone does that stupid thumbs up i agree aka im agreeing so that it doesnt look like im the one being included, im probably talking about you too, some of you im on friendly terms with and have good banter, butstill think your biased nutjobs that i wouldnt trust with my grandmother.


Some of you really need mental help, to convince yourself so much of somehing that all evidence says contrary.

The voice of reason have spoken. Nothing stops you, much like nothing stopped Hamilton wasting his races today
Also the fact that you felt the urge to post such a useless offtopic rant is a clear sign for you that something is really wrong

f1boy watch lewis as much as you can.. here ..

[andrew]

Does this thread need the slug treatment Fraff?

[darwin dali]

Could all the fanboyz and girlz on here just cool it a bit? I'm getting a headache from all the ranting

[What's Burning?]

Well if it's a proper race, then Massa can have no complaints of he gets hit then. Whats Lewis meant to do?? Keep behind him for the whole race at 40mph and ruin any chance of a decent finish. It works both ways, so why was Massa getting annoyed. If he had not blocked Lewis, he would have saved himself the bloody puncture.

He's meant to go past without hitting the car in front. He's managed it before. Massa was annoyed as he had an extra pitstop that screwed hs race through no fault of his own whatsoever.

Massa was blocking as they were fighting for position. Massa was not being lapped. So no, it does not work both ways. You'd have a point if Massa had turned in on Hamilton when Hamilton was up the inside or if Massa had braked too early but he didn't. It was not Massa's fault that Hamilton hit his tyre. It was Hamilton carrying too much speed into the corner and running out of space.

In Monza I didn't hear a peep out of Rosberg when Liuzzi rolled into half a dozen cars as if they were bowling pins. It's racing, things happen... I can imagine the outcry from some here if it would have been Hamilton complaining about another driver had the same thing been done to him. So they both had to pit and Hamilton had to do an extra one, whatever the stewards decided was served and done with. What's the point in complaining? What Massa should really be miffed at is his performance in today's race.

:director: Could all the fanboyz and girlz on here just cool it a bit? I'm getting a headache from all the ranting

Feeling a bit left out?

[f1boy]

I've not been ranting. I've just been saying that Massa and at least half the grid would be better off driving steam trains rather than F1 cars, as they look like they are going backwards most of the time.

Too many drivers these days who shouldn't be anywhere near F1 imo.

[Denthúl]

I've not been ranting. I've just been saying that Massa and at least half the grid would be better off driving steam trains rather than F1 cars, as they look like they are going backwards most of the time.

Too many drivers these days who shouldn't be anywhere near F1 imo.

Think you can do any better?

[f1boy]

I've not been ranting. I've just been saying that Massa and at least half the grid would be better off driving steam trains rather than F1 cars, as they look like they are going backwards most of the time.

Too many drivers these days who shouldn't be anywhere near F1 imo.

Think you can do any better?

No, but then I'm not pretending to be F1 material and helping myself to 5 million a year. At least half the grid should go for a walk down to the job centre imo.
This is meant to be the pinnacle of motorsport, not a "who can go the slowest and block the best" contest.

[kerc]

I think the Massa/Hamilton incident was a pure racing thing. How much are we going to try to sanitize and purify racing? Good grrief, I wonder what the F1 marshalls do in a BTCC race. They'd get a heart attack.

I didn't even finish watching the race. Processional, processional.

[andrew]

At least half the grid should go for a walk down to the job centre imo.

No point. I don't think any motorsport team advertises for drivers through the Job Centre.

[LewEngBridewell]

I didn't even finish watching the race. Processional, processional.

I disagree. There were no processions... any time cars started to get close to each other, the faster one would always get past. I know the lead never changed, but there was passing aplenty further down the field.

[f1boy]

At least half the grid should go for a walk down to the job centre imo.

No point. I don't think any motorsport team advertises for drivers through the Job Centre.

Thats lucky then, because most of them would be better off driving buses. There are very few good F1 drivers. Most are just making up the numbers.

At the moment, the only ones worth watching are -

Lewis
Seb
Alonso
Button
Schumacher
Di Resta
Senna
Hulkenberg (if given a chance)
Kobyashi

Kimi and Robert too. Hope we see them back next year.


The rest are piss poor imo and would be better off packing it in tbh.

[Darriele]

I've not been ranting. I've just been saying that Massa and at least half the grid would be better off driving steam trains rather than F1 cars, as they look like they are going backwards most of the time.

Too many drivers these days who shouldn't be anywhere near F1 imo.

There's a lot to be factored in, those drivers aren't driving steam trains for sure, most of us can only dream of having a car that behaves like a virgin or hrt, it's like having a veyron (redbull/ferrari/mclaren/mercedes) and down to a 911 porsche (hrt/lotus/virgin) all cars are quite good some of them aren't that fast as we may want, but we cant touch/afford them. Now ofc we must factor in the driver, any F1 driver is a potential world champion, just give him a good car and everything flows from itself. We had RedBull (Vettel) dominating the season with some wins from McLaren/Ferrari. Those 3 cars are quite on the same pace, but it seems that only Vettel was able to get it properly so far. Anyway, there's a lot to factor in, like the crappy Pirreli tyres (I guess everyone agrees with me when saying that those tires doesn't follow F1 motto [I don't see any practical application for those tires development in day by day life, that's the worst thing 2011 F1 did so far]) also DRS, that thing has no application in mainstream auto industry (it only promotes artificial over-takings in F1) , we stop to good old Kers, that's something that you can really want/have it on your car too... for the right price so far:)

All in all, redbull maintained his momentum gained from its last year driver/constructor championship as for the rest of the teams, this year was like a struggle to catch up redbull since the beginning of the season. Sometimes McLaren seemed to be up to the challenge, sometimes Ferrari, but none of those teams were able to deliver constantly. I remember something while having a bitter sweet taste "Button: I am the racer... Lewis is the superstar", Button and Alonso did their best to drag their teams where they are right now, but that I cannot say about Hamilton or Massa, both were struggling to deliver the needed performance but one (Hamilton) was too overzealous and paid the price for and the other one was (should I say) too scared since Hungary accident

In the end this season was a clear case of consistency >all. Vettel and Button understood that with Alonso being close by. The rest of the drivers with claims to the world title didn't delivered (Hamilton/Webber) but also they were close by.

GG Vettel, you did it again , what can I say more ?!.