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[bud]

Who's to say the tracks in Africa or Mexico won't be equally dire?

Cause the chances are the two tracks they'd use have held F1 races before!

Kaylami

[andrew]

Who's to say the tracks in Africa or Mexico won't be equally dire?

Cause the chances are the two tracks they'd use have held F1 races before!

That'll depend on the Grade of the track and whether or not it needs upgrading along with making sure there are plenty of spectator facilities in place.

[bud]

upgrading would be hell of a lot cheaper than constructing one from scratch.

[andrew]

Possibly. Depends what the FIA and the overtaking working group think of the existing circuits.

It would be good to use an existing track but I wouldn't be at all surprised if new tracks were constructed should these rumours turn out to be true.

[bud]

Possibly. Depends what the FIA and the overtaking working group think of the existing circuits.

It would be good to use an existing track but I wouldn't be at all surprised if new tracks were constructed should these rumours turn out to be true.

possibly? it has to be a no brainer between upgrading or starting from scratch which is cheaper.

but what has the OWG got to do with it, I thought you suggest its the cars and not the tracks thats the problem

[andrew]

Possibly. Depends what the FIA and the overtaking working group think of the existing circuits.

It would be good to use an existing track but I wouldn't be at all surprised if new tracks were constructed should these rumours turn out to be true.

possibly? it has to be a no brainer between upgrading or starting from scratch which is cheaper.

but what has the OWG got to do with it, I thought you suggest its the cars and not the tracks thats the problem

Absolutely upgrading is cheaper and I think is something most F1 fans would want to see given the historical nature of the exsting tracks in Mexico and South Africa.

It is the cars and not the tracks. However the OWG are made up of the teams and let's face it, the teams are never going to agree to a radical redesign on the cars - it would probably be seen as a step backwards. 2014 was meant to see significant changes to the cars but of course the teams pretty much vetoed most of what was proposed.

I'm only assumping that the OWG would have some input as I believe that they are consulted on the design of new tracks and have produced guidelines for what they want included in new tracks.

[darwin dali]

Who's to say the tracks in Africa or Mexico won't be equally dire?

Cause the chances are the two tracks they'd use have held F1 races before!

Kaylami

[Big Azza]

Like I said - they should pick names out of hat for 20 grand prix's each season, but keep the crown jewels.

Not sure that's a good idea as it's not really real world practical. It's an organizational nightmare actually.

They should ditch the European round and also Bahrain to make way for these two, as Scotty said F1 should have an African round. And even more American rounds is good also.

Nah I'll explain what I mean. Keep the crown jewels:

- Monaco, Silverstone, Singapore, Monza (perhaps). I would add Spa to this category, but looks like they won't be a permanent fixture.

2 - 4 years out, (so currently we are deciding on the 2013 or 2014 season for example) the FIA or F1 Commercial Group or whoever starts accepting bids from various venues to hold a GP. Perhaps the bid might come from one country who will list a few GP's. Australia, for example, might suggest Albert Park, Adelaide, Gold Coast (unlikely) or whatever other Venue has the potential. After accepting the bids (no money should be accepted Bernie) the commercial rights holder will have 6 months to pick GP's, consulting with the teams in the process. Then they will list a tentative schedule.

Start off with 3 to 5 GP's from Asia/Pacific. A country could have multiple races if availble or we can have a special Asia Pacific GP to showcase new circuits. Then fly off to Europe via Africa . E.g:

Pacific 1 (Australia e.g)
Pacific 2 (Malaysia)
Pacific 3 (China)
Official Asia-Pacific Grand Prix (Held at Fuji for example, or Adelaide, or Thailand, or some Pacific Island, or even Iran)
Africa 1
Monaco (Best way to open the European season - with a crown jewel)
Europe 1
Europe 2
British Grand Prix
Europe 3
Americas 1
Official Americas GP
Europe 4
Italian GP
Official European GP
Pacific 4
Pacific 5
Singapore GP
Americas 2
Americas 3


With this idea, will get to keep adding more circuits to the calendar, and then rotate between quite a few GPs. It will mean that no Grand Prix Season will ever be the same.
Perhaps the schedule could be a definitive Asia-Pacific Season, Europe/Africa Season, and Americas Season. Then we could mini championships based on these seasons as well, to give some of the smaller teams an incentive. So this competition would only be available to the bottom 5 teams or something like that. Say, Williams wins the Asian Cup and then get extra funding to help them advance to closer to the front of the WCC. Just a suggestion - but that is how I would run the scheme of things in F1.

[killem2]

Suzuka is a crown jewel more than singapore ever will be.

[minnie]

I'm a fan of Suzuka as well. Seen some great races there. Let's get rid of Valencia though, eh? And keep Montreal and Interlagos.

[Joey Zyla]

I'm a fan of Suzuka as well. Seen some great races there. Let's get rid of Valencia though, eh? And keep Montreal and Interlagos.

I like Valencia, but I am not a fan of having two races in the same country...


I'm also all for getting rid of Yeongam and Sao Paulo. Abu Dhabi provides great scenery (and Nermal the Kitten), but the track has got to go.

[Big Azza]

Suzuka is a crown jewel more than singapore ever will be.

Probably is - it's my favourite track. But if we have to miss out on it once every few years, do you think that would make it more special?

For example, we know that Spa looks set to alternate with another GP. It will be disappointing, but we'll definitely make sure we don't miss the race for the world!

[bud]

Suzuka is a crown jewel more than singapore ever will be.

Probably is - it's my favourite track. But if we have to miss out on it once every few years, do you think that would make it more special?

For example, we know that Spa looks set to alternate with another GP. It will be disappointing, but we'll definitely make sure we don't miss the race for the world!

You're from NSW, Can you imagine alternating Bathurst? I'm not a fan of alternating, especially not Spa

[Big Azza]

But don't you see - with these ludicrous ideas - the FIA should be knocking on my door any moment now!

I'm not a fan of an alternating Spa - but I am a fan of alternating circuits in general - like I said though, we need to keep the best circuits. But with this we'll hopefully get to see a lot of variety - not just your typical Ferrari and McLaren tracks. (I didn't say Red Bull - because all tracks are Red Bull tracks! )

We'll race at a variety of venues not knowing what the race will throw up. Heck let's add in an ice race as well. (That time I was joking)

Or an air race:


Or a hillclimb/rally cross:


Ok so we keep 10 races on a contract, and the other 10 races to be decided using the bidding system I suggested...

[Joey Zyla]

Nah I'll explain what I mean. Keep the crown jewels:

- Monaco, Silverstone, Singapore, Monza (perhaps). I would add Spa to this category, but looks like they won't be a permanent fixture.

2 - 4 years out, (so currently we are deciding on the 2013 or 2014 season for example) the FIA or F1 Commercial Group or whoever starts accepting bids from various venues to hold a GP. Perhaps the bid might come from one country who will list a few GP's. Australia, for example, might suggest Albert Park, Adelaide, Gold Coast (unlikely) or whatever other Venue has the potential. After accepting the bids (no money should be accepted Bernie) the commercial rights holder will have 6 months to pick GP's, consulting with the teams in the process. Then they will list a tentative schedule.

Start off with 3 to 5 GP's from Asia/Pacific. A country could have multiple races if availble or we can have a special Asia Pacific GP to showcase new circuits. Then fly off to Europe via Africa . E.g:

Pacific 1 (Australia e.g)
Pacific 2 (Malaysia)
Pacific 3 (China)
Official Asia-Pacific Grand Prix (Held at Fuji for example, or Adelaide, or Thailand, or some Pacific Island, or even Iran)
Africa 1
Monaco (Best way to open the European season - with a crown jewel)
Europe 1
Europe 2
British Grand Prix
Europe 3
Americas 1
Official Americas GP
Europe 4
Italian GP
Official European GP
Pacific 4
Pacific 5
Singapore GP
Americas 2
Americas 3


With this idea, will get to keep adding more circuits to the calendar, and then rotate between quite a few GPs. It will mean that no Grand Prix Season will ever be the same.
Perhaps the schedule could be a definitive Asia-Pacific Season, Europe/Africa Season, and Americas Season. Then we could mini championships based on these seasons as well, to give some of the smaller teams an incentive. So this competition would only be available to the bottom 5 teams or something like that. Say, Williams wins the Asian Cup and then get extra funding to help them advance to closer to the front of the WCC. Just a suggestion - but that is how I would run the scheme of things in F1.

Grand Prix of Australia (Melbourne)
Grand Prix of Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur)
Grand Prix of Bahrain (Sakhir) alternating with Grand Prix of China (Shanghai)
Grand Prix of Spain (Barcelona)
Grand Prix of Monaco (Monte Carlo)
Grand Prix of Great Britain (Silverstone)
Grand Prix of Germany (Hockenheim) alternating with Grand Prix of Germany (Nurburg)
Grand Prix of Hungary (Budapest)
Grand Prix of Finland (Helsinki)
Grand Prix of Belgium (Spa-Francorchamps)
Grand Prix of Italy (Monza)
Grand Prix of Singapore (Singapore)
Grand Prix of Japan (Suzuka)
Grand Prix of India (New Delhi) alternating with Grand Prix of South Africa (Kyalami)
Grand Prix of Canada (Montreal)
Grand Prix of the United States (Detroit) alternating with Grand Prix of Mexico (Mexico City)
Grand Prix of the United Arab Emirates (Abu Dhabi)
Grand Prix of Brazil (Sao Paulo)