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[racechick]

Yeah...but the thing is until Jenson was awarded a spaceship by Honda, I don't think any team bosses out there actually believed he was WDC material.

I would accept that Jenson probably stayed loyal to BAR/Honda for too long, he had other opportunities over the years, he resigned for Williams only to change his mind, buying himself out of his Williams contract to stay at Honda, which I believe to be a mistake as Williams were a half decent team at that point and could have showcased his talents more and maybe attract a big name drive. Lewis on the other hand jumped straight into a car capable of winning a title, he almost won in '07 and did win in '08. Maybe not attending the school of hard knocks in a lower field team having to scrap for 15th place means he isn't as emotionally tough as someone like Alonso for example, who won both his titles in a car that wasn't the fastest car out there!

I dont think its anything to do with being in the school of hard knocks. He's been there sincehis debut and before. Its personality and dealing with off track crap. He needs no help dealing with the car good or bad, he's more than proved that. He needs help fending off the critics and he's not getting it while jenson who is older and can cope better with those situations is getting it by the bucket load. Poor man management.

[bud]

First half of 09 Lewis was scrapping for 15th MOA. Also Alonso had the fastest car in most of 06 and the 1st 1/4 of 05.

[FRAFPDD]

Was Whitmarsh driving Schumachers Mercedes?

Well then youve got to budge on one thing or another,

Whitmarsh favours Button, he might only do it when the possibility presents itself instead of actively trying to favour him.


Or Whitmarsh is extremely incompetent, i like to think its a mixture of the two.

[FRAFPDD]

Is this still rumbling on?!?! No-one complained when Ron Dennis was firmly in the Hamilton camp during the Alonso/Kovalainen years, or when Ron Dennis favoured Hakkinen and then Raikkonen over Coulthard, it's not unreasonable for a team principle to prefer one driver over another as long as everything is fair and square with equipment and opportunities, which I believe to be the case!

Giving them the same equipment is one thing, but if your team principal is going to give you extra stops, tell you to drive conservatively and not tell the other car to do the same, put you on wrong tyres, focus attention of wanting one driver to do better, it all adds up.

Alonso had the same equiment as Hamilton. He still ultimately finished level on points because Hamilton was favoured.

I agree its rich that Hamilton fans shuold be complaining after 2007, but what is the better option, to keep this circle of tit for tat favouring going forever?

The worst part is how different in terms of talent they both are, and yet the less likely one to win you anything is the one being given all the support.

[FRAFPDD]

This is Lewis' fifth year in F1; he shouldn't need all the attention and propping up at this point, he should be able to motivate himself, yes Lewis' has had some bad luck as well as making mistakes, but at this level he should be able to brush that off and look forward to the next race with a fresh perspective! F1 is not a sport for the weak-hearted; how many years of bad results and bad cars did Jenson have to work through before getting a break in the Brawn, it was touch and go whether Jenson's career was over in the off season after Honda ditched F1.

You gotta start tuning in to the same wavelength MOA, nobody here wants all the attention and propping up for Lewis.

People want Whitmarsh to stop what more and more people are thinking in favouring Button.

Oh i have another one to add to the list, Hamilton starts 10th at Silverstone, gets right up to 4th, oh dear Lewis we're about TEN. LAPS. from the end and it turns out unless you drive 3 seconds off the ace you wont finish.


WHAT KIND OF TEAM DOES THAT, 10 LAPS FFS.

They have mission control watching the race, bucket loads of engineers, 5 people on the pitwall, and they fuelled his car unbelievably low.#

It wouldnt bother me at all if it was just a case of Whitmarsh likes Button better, but the strategies that Button is oh so good at, erm,


Quite Literally, Australia 2010, China 2010, Hungary 2011. Were all Hamiltons to win until 3/3 times he got the wrong strategy (that his team decides) and Jensn was put on the right one. 3/3 times.........

[racechick]

I like to think Lewis' lost opportunities are down to nothing more sinister than incompetence, bad luck, minor errors and poor stewarding; and will continue to believe so until evidence says otherwise. Same with hamilton and alonso-the only time they were investigated under the team orders rule was at monaco for favouring Alonso...and they were cleared as it was monaco and they argued it was a strategy decision(to cover the possibility of a safety car-lewis got the bum deal).
What I object to, is Whitmarsh's increasing sycophantic behaviour around Button in public(I guess its up to him what he does with Button in private)and a comparative lack of public support for lewis in the wake of his 'lost opportunities' and attacks from media, stewards and old know it alls etc.

[andrew]

Hamilton has a contract for next year, Button doesn't and negotiations are on-going.

Tells me all I need to know.

Whitmarsh will be wanting Button to resign with McLaren and considering Button is at McLaren due to Whitmarsh there will be a bit of shmoozing and but-kissing going on to try and sweet talk Button into staying. Anyone see the latest rumour about Button supposedly being linked with Ferrari?

[bud]

Same wavelength? you mean the crazy kind? Mate just because you see something doesn't make it real! Fans like you that give F1 a bad name. always coming up with bs theories based on what? what fact do you have in all honesty? TV interviews on BBC? thats real scientific approach you have. Unless you were involved in the team, had access to what goes on within the team, then what ever you say is just an outsiders view and has no weight to it.

But anyways Whitmarsh was doing a good job in favouring Jenson Britain Spa Qualifying, even Germany? Just because you see bad lack fall on Lewis does not mean it is intentional from the team.

The fact I'm even debating this pisses me off. Its utter nonsense that you're accusing a team that wants to win of such BS especially since you've been a fan for a bees sausage in the scheme of things. :bang head:

Hamilton has a contract for next year, Button doesn't and negotiations are on-going.

Tells me all I need to know.

Whitmarsh will be wanting Button to resign with McLaren and considering Button is at McLaren due to Whitmarsh there will be a bit of shmoozing and but-kissing going on to try and sweet talk Button into staying. Anyone see the latest rumour about Button supposedly being linked with Ferrari?

Don't bring logic to the table. that doesn't sit well here with conspiracy theories

[Hammer278]

Hamilton has a contract for next year, Button doesn't and negotiations are on-going.

Tells me all I need to know.

Whitmarsh will be wanting Button to resign with McLaren and considering Button is at McLaren due to Whitmarsh there will be a bit of shmoozing and but-kissing going on to try and sweet talk Button into staying. Anyone see the latest rumour about Button supposedly being linked with Ferrari?

Err...how does this tell you all you need to know? Whitmarsh is publicly begging Jenson to sign the contract, it's Jenson who is withholding...

[FRAFPDD]

Ooooooohhhh is little bud gonna cry?

[racechick]

I think next year is a done deal. The quibbling is over a longer contract and if they cant agree that then they'll sign the one year one.

[andrew]

Hamilton has a contract for next year, Button doesn't and negotiations are on-going.

Tells me all I need to know.

Whitmarsh will be wanting Button to resign with McLaren and considering Button is at McLaren due to Whitmarsh there will be a bit of shmoozing and but-kissing going on to try and sweet talk Button into staying. Anyone see the latest rumour about Button supposedly being linked with Ferrari?

Err...how does this tell you all you need to know? Whitmarsh is publicly begging Jenson to sign the contract, it's Jenson who is withholding...

None of us know what goes on behind closed doors - it's all speculation of course (and that goes for both sides of the argument here). Both could be begging, only Whitmarsh is doing it publicly. For all we know Button could be asking for more than what McLaren want to give him and that's causing the delay. Who knows?

Either way, one driver has job security for 2012, the other supposedly hasn't as yet. I can't see McLaren waiting indefinately for Button to sign for the long term. There will probably come a time when McLaren tell him to either crap or get off the pot.

A team deliberately screwing one of their drivers makes no sense when both drivers are very evenly matched. It's going to cost them constructors points.

[scotty]

Hamilton and Whitmarsh didn't exactly get off on the right foot, if you look at what Hamilton did in MW's first race in charge. Perhaps they just don't like each other.

[FRAFPDD]

But they did it with Alonso in 2007.

They did it with Coulthard

They did it with Barrichello

They did it with Webber.



Doesnt matter how much sense it makes they still do it.

[Hammer278]

Hamilton and Whitmarsh didn't exactly get off on the right foot, if you look at what Hamilton did in MW's first race in charge. Perhaps they just don't like each other.

What did he do again?