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#274237
There is no #1 driver in mclaren...Throughout the whole season, they have proved that they let their drivers race...

I just laugh when people try downplay Jenson's achievements....It seems like every good performance that he does is labeled as "lucky". He has proven that he can overtake(from last place to 1st place), he has proven that he can read track conditions well multiple times, he has proven that he can win a championship, and he has proven that he's a good strategist.

Well said :thumbup: I have been getting increasingly fed up with this attitude; when Lewis wins, it's a great drive, when Jenson wins, he's lucky, give the man the credit he is due!!!

Below is my write-up on the Italian GP lifted straight from my blog:

Sebastian Vettel has almost wrapped up his second world title with a dominant win at Monza. But it wasn’t a lights to flag victory for the German, Fernando Alonso jumped from fourth to lead the race into the first corner. Vettel came back at Alonso using all the track and some grass to get the move done, which was vital for the German to run and hide to take the chequered flag.

Lewis Hamilton had a tough day being badly held up by Michael Schumacher, the German using some dodgy tactics to keep the Briton behind forcing Hamilton off the road which allowed Jenson Button to pass his team mate. Button went on to overtake Schumacher much easier than Hamilton to move upto third place. Hamilton went onto finish the race in fourth place just 0.5 seconds behind Alonso, after being held up behind Schumacher a second time after the pit stop shake up. McLaren team mate Button drove fantastically to finish the race on the second step of the podium after overtaking Alonso in the last third of the race, there was no lack of aggression from Button at this GP, especially after having such a poor start dropping back as far as seventh off the line!

Despite his dubious tactics, Schumacher had a strong race to finish in fifth place, Michael is an old school driver and I believe these new rules stifle racing, the ‘only one defensive move’ rule particularly, a penalty would have been harsh! Felipe Massa brought the second Ferrari home in sixth place and was the last of the runners to finish on the lead lap. Jaime Alguersuari, Paul di Resta, Bruno Senna and Sebastien Buemi round out the points paying positions. Senna did well to finish ninth after being involved in the first corner incident which took four drivers out of the race. Great drives from from Toro Rosso’s Alguersuari and Buemi finishing seventh and tenth for a double score for STR while Force India’s di Resta moved up from 11th to eighth, kept out of trouble, drove sensibly and claimed three points for himself and the team, very mature drive.

The scary thing is that Sebastian Vettel can win the world drivers title at the next race in Singapore with five races to spare, which just goes to show the German’s dominance this season; albeit with a little help from the Adrian Newey designed RB7. Doing a little mathematics (math has never been my strong point, so this maybe completely wrong); if Vettel wins; Fernando Alonso would need to finish third and/or Jenson Button/Mark Webber would need to finish second to keep the title race alive, but realistically it would be delaying the inevitable, the RB7 and Vettel have been supreme this season! This season is now all about the race to be best of the rest, with the way Button has been driving recently, you wouldn’t bet against him finishing second!

Finally, I missed out Mark Webber, who had a coming together with Fernando Alonso on lap four; in which the Australian lost his front wing and in his hurry to get back to the pits crashed out because of the lack of front end downforce, a silly mistake that has been costly for Webber. Overall it was a great race; lots of good racing, even if Lewis Hamilton looked subdued, not taking any risks and apparently was in need of some encouragement from his team to chase down Alonso near the end, even his post race interview was really subdued, gone are the days of being outspoken. His body language would suggest he is not very happy, maybe with the team, maybe with his own mental state; being beaten by his team mate first and foremost and not being able to challenge for regular wins has really gotten him down. I have been outspoken about Lewis Hamilton’s actions, more off the track in front of TV cameras than anything but now everything that made him great has disappeared ontrack. Lewis says he doesn’t care what others think of him and he wouldn’t change his style seems to be more for the media as he clearly has changed his driving style, he would never had sat behind Schumacher for a dozen laps three or four races ago!


You might want to change your storyline about Webber - it was FM not FA :wink:
#274249
Great start by Alonso and would have been nice if had a better car to fight off Jenson.

Also, glad to see Jenson finishing ahead of Hamilton, again...

Vettel has the WDC in the bag and we have to start looking to next year.
#274258
Below is my write-up on the Italian GP lifted straight from my blog:

Sebastian Vettel has almost wrapped up his second world title with a dominant win at Monza. But it wasn’t a lights to flag victory for the German, Fernando Alonso jumped from fourth to lead the race into the first corner. Vettel came back at Alonso using all the track and some grass to get the move done, which was vital for the German to run and hide to take the chequered flag.

Lewis Hamilton had a tough day being badly held up by Michael Schumacher, the German using some dodgy tactics to keep the Briton behind forcing (an error from) Hamilton (who went) off the road (on an overtaking attempt) which allowed Jenson Button to pass his team mate (after Button caught up with the dueling drievrs). Button (then) went on to overtake Schumacher (who was on badly worn tires by that time and pitted on the same lap) much easier than Hamilton to move upto third place. Hamilton went onto finish the race in fourth place just 0.5 seconds behind Alonso, after being held up behind Schumacher a second time after the pit stop shake up. McLaren team mate Button drove fantastically to finish the race on the second step of the podium after overtaking Alonso in the last third of the race, there was no lack of aggression from Button at this GP, especially after having such a poor start dropping back as far as seventh off the line!

Despite his dubious tactics, Schumacher had a strong race to finish in fifth place, Michael is an old school driver and I believe these new rules stifle racing, the ‘only one defensive move’ rule particularly, a penalty would have been harsh! Felipe Massa brought the second Ferrari home in sixth place and was the last of the runners to finish on the lead lap. Jaime Alguersuari, Paul di Resta, Bruno Senna and Sebastien Buemi round out the points paying positions. Senna did well to finish ninth after being involved in the first corner incident which took four drivers out of the race. Great drives from from Toro Rosso’s Alguersuari and Buemi finishing seventh and tenth for a double score for STR while Force India’s di Resta moved up from 11th to eighth, kept out of trouble, drove sensibly and claimed three points for himself and the team, very mature drive.

The scary thing is that Sebastian Vettel can win the world drivers title at the next race in Singapore with five races to spare, which just goes to show the German’s dominance this season; albeit with a little help from the Adrian Newey designed RB7. Doing a little mathematics (math has never been my strong point, so this maybe completely wrong); if Vettel wins; Fernando Alonso would need to finish third and/or Jenson Button/Mark Webber would need to finish second to keep the title race alive, but realistically it would be delaying the inevitable, the RB7 and Vettel have been supreme this season! This season is now all about the race to be best of the rest, with the way Button has been driving recently, you wouldn’t bet against him finishing second!

Finally, I missed out Mark Webber, who had a coming together with Fernando Alonso (Felipe Massa) on lap four (in an aggressive move into turn 1); in which the Australian lost his front wing and in his hurry to get back to the pits crashed out because of the lack of front end downforce, a silly mistake that has been costly for Webber. Overall it was a great race; lots of good racing, even if Lewis Hamilton looked subdued, not taking any risks and apparently was in need of some encouragement from his team to chase down Alonso near the end, even his post race interview was really subdued, gone are the days of being outspoken. His body language would suggest he is not very happy, maybe with the team, maybe with his own mental state; being beaten by his team mate first and foremost and not being able to challenge for regular wins has really gotten him down. I have been outspoken about Lewis Hamilton’s actions, more off the track in front of TV cameras than anything but now everything that made him great has disappeared ontrack. Lewis says he doesn’t care what others think of him and he wouldn’t change his style seems to be more for the media as he clearly has changed his driving style, he would never had sat behind Schumacher for a dozen laps three or four races ago!



Just a couple corrections (looking like this). But... well written and nicely put.

Right now Lewis is confused. Its a pity, becasue he could have ahad a great race today. But to be honest... this results is a lot better than another DNF or crash. What he needs is some consistency to get his confidence back.
#274288
So a Red Bull full of fuel is about as quick as a Virgin running with barely any left... that really is insane.
#274291
So a Red Bull full of fuel is about as quick as a Virgin running with barely any left... that really is insane.


The commentators on speed noted something that was... well, hilarious and sad. The back marker teams PLAN for how many times they think they'll be lapped in a race, and purposely under fuel the car, to gain an advantage, since they know they'll have to carry fuel for two less laps than the full race distance.
#274295
So a Red Bull full of fuel is about as quick as a Virgin running with barely any left... that really is insane.


The commentators on speed noted something that was... well, hilarious and sad. The back marker teams PLAN for how many times they think they'll be lapped in a race, and purposely under fuel the car, to gain an advantage, since they know they'll have to carry fuel for two less laps than the full race distance.

You missed the punch line: and then they hope to not be better than anticipated because they'd be in serious trouble. :hehe:
#274297
Ricciardo's car was also damaged during the big crash, which took a while to fix during the safety car, and may not have even been perfectly fixed... Hard to say, they obviously didn't cover it very much.
#274308
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/14874360.stm

The end... :rofl:

Synopsis please for us non-UK people?


Can you see this one?

[youtube]6Z-N9QNA94k[/youtube]

:rofl::rofl::rofl: If anything watch the Irvine interview onwards...
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