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By Hammer278
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And as for this thread, it's about Vettel. :wavey::P

Do I have to rattle off his epic Toro Rosso races again?


No thanks, I can almost recite your posts by heart.
By Big Azza
#273480
And as for this thread, it's about Vettel. :wavey::P

Do I have to rattle off his epic Toro Rosso races again?


No thanks, I can almost recite your posts by heart.


:thumbup:
By vaptin
#273532

Kind of like, he came, he saw, he conquered and then he promptly left. :rofl:


Mind you isn't that what actually happened? Or should I read more history.
By andrew
#273533

Kind of like, he came, he saw, he conquered and then he promptly left. :rofl:


Mind you isn't that what actually happened? Or should I read more history.


I was referring to the daft reports of Vettel finishing F1 in 4 or 5 years with the current form continuing. Of course, none of us know what will happen tomorrow.
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By vlad
#273542
Possible 2nd Monza victory for Vettel... :clap:
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By bud
#273544
Possible 2nd Monza victory for Vettel... :clap:



possible yes, but not going to be easy race. McLaren are strong here.
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By vlad
#273545
I knew that the battle will be on here! McLaren is fast as hell, but Vettel keeps negating their advantage. And yes, on this race Lewis is much faster than Jenson.
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By billindenver
#273546
What you say about witnessing the next legend, i think anyone with two titles is a legend, but if you mean schumacher 7 title kind of legend, then i dont agree at all, and im pretty damn confident in being right, i think a lot of people will be suprised and dissapointed when the car hes driving isnt quite as good as it has been and he hits earth with a thud after these last two dream years.



Interesting hypothesis. How about this. If Vettel wins another championship next year or the year following....you agree that DD issues you an IP ban...not a screen lock out, but an IP ban. If Hamilton does...I agree to the same. Friendly wagers are always big fun. :)


Billin, I'm willing to take this wager. Bloody hell I keep making bets to take with people here and no one entertains me!

Are we on? If Vettel wins the WDC in 2012 and 2013 I don't even mind a screen lockout. There are other forums out there. :P

If Lewis wins the next two, you're 'banned' from posting but still able to see me rejoicing and raving about Lewis' mastery on track in this forum. :clap:


Yes! Disagree though we may, nobody can say Hammer lacks dangly bits. One change I would make if you'll allow. The 'AND' in there sure kills the odds of either of us winning. The chances of either of them winning a championship BOTH years is pretty nill. How about we swap AND for OR. Either of them win either year and DD brings in the ban hammer. LOL, we could both end up gone!

I have to say, in fairness, that I think I'm taking a bit of advantage of you though. Chances are better than even that I'll end up banned well before that anyway. I've been given two vacations now without any sort of explanation. No PM saying what I did or what I said to get banned and no post in the thread as typical. I went through all my posts and can't for the life of me find what was even remotely against the rules. I get back from this past vacation and I have a warning after a single post (which wasn't in any way controversial)....again, no reason why...no PM and no post in the thread...it just shows up under my avatar to the right. My favorite mod What's Burning is working on a backdoor permanent ban I assume. Prior to asking Steven and DD to make him stop, I had daily PM's from WB showing his intent to be rid of my Hamilton dislike. Anyway, full disclosure before you accept the wager. I'd likely be banned for celebrating Hamilton losing anyway. Either way, you win I guess. :)
By andrew
#273590
I'd likely be banned for celebrating Hamilton losing anyway.


May I offer a simple solution? It's quite a novel idea and I feel sure that if I was on Dragons Den I'd get old sour face Ballantyne to open his wallet for the first time since 1985. Brace your self Billin, it's a cracker of an idea that'll blow your mind. Here it comes:

Don't celebrate Hamilton or anyone else loosing, celebrate Vettel winning, or even celebrate a cracker of a season. I'll give you a couple moments to let the initial shock pass 'cos that is a capital idea.

Too sarcastic or just right?

As for your claim of WB wanting to rid you of your dislike of Hamilton, I call :bs: . It's up to you and you only who you like and dislike and I can't imagine a moderator telling you who to support. But of course anything between you and the site Admin is James Bond information, disclose only on a need to know basis. Bad mouthing a moderator publicly ain't going to endear you to anyone and it is probably something that most of us don't want to read.

EDIT - got mod's mixed up!
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Right back to the thread, McLaren look competitive.
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By bud
#273591
That's funny I could have sworn WB is a Hamilton fan or was it McLaren? Maybe he is a closet fan, WB care to enlighten on who you root for?
By Hammer278
#273596
What you say about witnessing the next legend, i think anyone with two titles is a legend, but if you mean schumacher 7 title kind of legend, then i dont agree at all, and im pretty damn confident in being right, i think a lot of people will be suprised and dissapointed when the car hes driving isnt quite as good as it has been and he hits earth with a thud after these last two dream years.



Interesting hypothesis. How about this. If Vettel wins another championship next year or the year following....you agree that DD issues you an IP ban...not a screen lock out, but an IP ban. If Hamilton does...I agree to the same. Friendly wagers are always big fun. :)


Billin, I'm willing to take this wager. Bloody hell I keep making bets to take with people here and no one entertains me!

Are we on? If Vettel wins the WDC in 2012 and 2013 I don't even mind a screen lockout. There are other forums out there. :P

If Lewis wins the next two, you're 'banned' from posting but still able to see me rejoicing and raving about Lewis' mastery on track in this forum. :clap:


Yes! Disagree though we may, nobody can say Hammer lacks dangly bits. One change I would make if you'll allow. The 'AND' in there sure kills the odds of either of us winning. The chances of either of them winning a championship BOTH years is pretty nill. How about we swap AND for OR. Either of them win either year and DD brings in the ban hammer. LOL, we could both end up gone!

I have to say, in fairness, that I think I'm taking a bit of advantage of you though. Chances are better than even that I'll end up banned well before that anyway. I've been given two vacations now without any sort of explanation. No PM saying what I did or what I said to get banned and no post in the thread as typical. I went through all my posts and can't for the life of me find what was even remotely against the rules. I get back from this past vacation and I have a warning after a single post (which wasn't in any way controversial)....again, no reason why...no PM and no post in the thread...it just shows up under my avatar to the right. My favorite mod What's Burning is working on a backdoor permanent ban I assume. Prior to asking Steven and DD to make him stop, I had daily PM's from WB showing his intent to be rid of my Hamilton dislike. Anyway, full disclosure before you accept the wager. I'd likely be banned for celebrating Hamilton losing anyway. Either way, you win I guess. :)


TBH I was thinking the same thing. 2 years in a row is tough. But we can only come to a conclusion at the end of 2013, since if Vettel wins in 2012 Lewis still has a chance in 2013...so we both self terminate. :D

It's on...good to have a friendly bet with someone! 2012 looks more interesting already.
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By Fred_C_Dobbs
#273615
Vettel underlines title credentials with sublime drive
Andrew Benson | 21:44 UK time, Sunday, 28 August 2011

At Spa-Francorchamps

Sebastian Vettel and his Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber finished one-two in the Belgian Grand Prix after drives that can compare with many of those that have entered the annals of Formula 1 history from the famous Spa-Francorchamps track.

The two men went into the race on Sunday well aware of their team's concerns that their front tyres could fail.

Red Bull design chief Adrian Newey said it was "one of the scariest races I've been involved in", and the mind boggles as to the bravery of the drivers in that situation.

Spa's high-speed sweeps are arguably the biggest challenge a grand prix driver can face. Although safety has improved immensely at the circuit in the modern age, it remains an old-school race track, on which there are places "you wouldn't want to go off," as Webber put it in his BBC Sport column last week.

The drivers sounded phlegmatic about it after the race, but they were well aware of the potential seriousness of the situation. "We took quite a lot of risk," Vettel said. But, he added, "when there is a chance to win, we go for it".

Of all the many qualities that make grand prix drivers different from ordinary mortals, this has to be one of the most striking.

Call it bravery, call it lack of imagination, but Vettel and Webber went into the race, committed themselves to the 180mph rollercoaster ride through Eau Rouge, having put their lives in the hands of calculations by their engineers about how long their tyres would last.

The height of concern was in the early stages of the race, when the cars were running on tyres that Newey said Pirelli had told them "were very marginal and at five o'clock yesterday they wouldn't say after half a lap or five laps but they were going to fail".

Red Bull's engineers had calculated that they could be pretty sure Webber's tyres would last two or three laps, and Vettel's five - which is when the two men made their first pit stops.

Red Bull were not the only team to suffer blistering, but theirs was worse than any of their rivals.

The situation caused controversy because they were running their cars with a greater degree of camber - lean away from vertical - on their front tyres than supplier Pirelli recommends.

Pirelli motorsport chief Paul Hembery chose his words carefully after the race, but I understand there were strong words between Pirelli and Newey before the race, and that there may be less tolerance of any team who choose to go beyond Pirelli's advice in the future.

It is yet another example of how Newey pushes every parameter to the limit, an approach that allied with his genius for aerodynamic design, has led him to create so many dominant cars, of which this year's Red Bull RB7 is just the latest in a long line.

With everything that was involved - the bravery, the tyre management, racing and overtaking Fernando Alonso's Ferrari, it has to rank as one of the best of Vettel's 17 victories.

Both Newey and team principal Christian Horner described it as a "mature" drive, and, as Newey pointed out: "Mark's race was every bit as good."

Webber was compromised first by a poor start, caused when his anti-stall kicked in, and then by a radio miscommunication that meant he did not follow his team-mate into the pits under the safety car period that followed Lewis Hamilton's collision with Sauber's Kamui Kobayashi.

That committed him to a long middle stint on the slower 'medium' tyre, at the beginning of which he showed bravery of a different but no less remarkable kind.

On lap nine, Webber passed Alonso on the outside going into Eau Rouge, pulling alongside on the hill down from La Source, nosing in front, and refusing to concede.

The two men are good friends, and they always race hard but fair, giving each other just enough room in such situations, but this incident was right on the edge.

"That boy must have some balls to do that - on the outside into Eau Rouge," Horner said. "Phenomenal. Pass of the day.

"Fernando was professional and gave him enough room to work with. Mark was always going to brave it out around the outside. I think we all closed our eyes."

Of course, Vettel and Webber's one-two was facilitated by the huge performance advantage of their cars.

Alonso appeared to be in the running for victory until his team chose not to stop under the safety car, but he insisted that was an illusion, saying Red Bull had a pace advantage of "one second per lap, maybe towards the end of the race even more, 1.5 seconds".

This is quite a turnaround after Red Bull failed to win any of the previous three races, where McLaren and Ferrari both showed Red Bull-beating pace.

Newey ascribes this to the "very cool conditions and slightly abnormal races" in Britain, Germany and Hungary.

"Hungary we were actually quite competitive in the dry and in those early laps on the intermediate tyres we suffered," he said.

"Germany it was exceptionally cold and we suffered in [tyre] warm-up. Silverstone we were compromised because we believed we had cold blowing (of the diffuser) allowed but it was taken away on Sunday morning."

This does not bode well for what were admittedly faint hopes that one of Vettel's rivals might have a chance of stopping his relentless march to the championship.

Although Alonso starred in the early stages in Spa, the car closest on pace to the Red Bull would seem still to be the McLaren, judging by Jenson Button's remarkable drive through the field to third place on Sunday, which was full of clinical and elegant overtaking moves.

As Button pointed out, though, McLaren's weekend in Belgium was compromised by the mistakes that have characterised their season, and which they desperately need to cut out.

In Button's case in Belgium, that was a "miscommunication" over how many laps he had left in the second period of qualifying that left him stranded in 13th place.

Lewis Hamilton, meanwhile, made another of several mistakes by himself and the team this season which have made it impossible to challenge Vettel.

Without them, he would be in the fight, rather than where is now, which is 113 points behind Vettel with only 175 still available, and his title hopes over.

Alonso, who after his fourth place in Spa is in a marginally better position but still 102 points adrift of Vettel, said he would keep battling until it was mathematically impossible to overhaul Vettel.

But even he, F1's most relentless fighter, admitted Ferrari's hopes were "not in our hands, and Red Bull need to make big, big mistakes, and have big problems if we want to win the championship".

Barring a disaster of catastrophic proportions, then, Vettel will win a second consecutive world title this year, and long before the end of the season.

After performances such as that at Spa on Sunday, and many others this year, he fully deserves it.
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By vlad
#273716
I just LOVE the style of the helmet he chose... :cloud9:
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By darwin dali
#273793
Sebastian Vettel has become the first driver since the late great Ayrton Senna to take pole on 10 occasions in different seasons.
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By LewEngBridewell
#273795
Sebastian Vettel has become the first driver since the late great Ayrton Senna to take pole on 10 occasions in different seasons.


I'm sure SV will take great pride in that. He's always been one to keep an eye on the stats. Well done to him.
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