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[LewEngBridewell]

Why not ask the driver to change his driving style if it will result in points?

Especially when it is costing them points

Because the style as it is wins more than it loses. And it actually relies on that novel notion...racing

[billindenver]

Why not ask the driver to change his driving style if it will result in points?

Especially when it is costing them points

Because the style as it is wins more than it loses. And it actually relies on that novel notion...racing

Statistically.....that's just not true. Neither when looked at it as a broad theory over all racing nor when looked at in regard to your favorite driver. If he could have dialed it back just a bit when prudent instead of rushing headlong all the time....he would be a triple world champion instead of barely winning a single and only then because Renault cheated.

I think this quote from Prew says a lot:

I think it should also be noted that Lewis is a very clever guy, he's a very good racing driver and he will reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and to come back stronger"

Reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and come back stronger....hmmm. I can't think of a translation for that sentence that doesn't mean "Look at his mistakes and not repeat them"...and that means they do expect him to change.

[FRAFPDD]

Hi Bill!

[What's Burning?]

Yeah... anyway.

The reason one has to push harder than normal is because they don't have a dominant car. What does a driver that's behind Vettel in points now actually gain by finishing 3rd or 4th while Vettel is winning a GP? So it's a calculated risk that must be taken by anyone that's got a chance (or feel they've got a chance) at winning. And when you don't have the best car, you have to drive it, and yourself that much more on the limit.

It applies to everyone, really not just Lewis.

[racechick]

Why not ask the driver to change his driving style if it will result in points?

Especially when it is costing them points

Because the style as it is wins more than it loses. And it actually relies on that novel notion...racing

Statistically.....that's just not true. Neither when looked at it as a broad theory over all racing nor when looked at in regard to your favorite driver. If he could have dialed it back just a bit when prudent instead of rushing headlong all the time....he would be a triple world champion instead of barely winning a single and only then because Renault cheated.

I think this quote from Prew says a lot:

I think it should also be noted that Lewis is a very clever guy, he's a very good racing driver and he will reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and to come back stronger"

Reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and come back stronger....hmmm. I can't think of a translation for that sentence that doesn't mean "Look at his mistakes and not repeat them"...and that means they do expect him to change.

Bill!! hello there
I hate to disagree with you but i feel I have to. If you quote the whole of Prew's statement will hear him say he doesnt want Lewis to change his style because his style is what delivers wins and championships. If you really want proof you will need to look at all his overtakes and see how many are successful, raise him up the grid, score points, wins, a championship; and how many dont work out. I dont need to do that becuase i know the answer but feel free he may well be clever, he may well come back stronger.....Bill.........BE SCARED!!!

[andrew]

Why not ask the driver to change his driving style if it will result in points?

Especially when it is costing them points

Because the style as it is wins more than it loses. And it actually relies on that novel notion...racing

Statistically.....that's just not true. Neither when looked at it as a broad theory over all racing nor when looked at in regard to your favorite driver. If he could have dialed it back just a bit when prudent instead of rushing headlong all the time....he would be a triple world champion instead of barely winning a single and only then because Renault cheated.

The race where Renault "cheated" was the same race where Ferrari gave Massa a green light to leave the pits with the fule hose still attached and cost Massa a certain win. I think that was a lot more instrumental in the final result of the championship than Renaults shenanigans.

I think this quote from Prew says a lot:

I think it should also be noted that Lewis is a very clever guy, he's a very good racing driver and he will reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and to come back stronger"

Reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and come back stronger....hmmm. I can't think of a translation for that sentence that doesn't mean "Look at his mistakes and not repeat them"...and that means they do expect him to change.

The phrase you're looking for is that he has to learn from his mistakes. Same for everyone in F1 and everyone in every walk of life. Sometimes you just got to mess up to learn and make you stronger and better for the future.

The way I look at it is Hamilton's career has kind of gone in the reverse of what is considered normal, with all the success right at the start and dealing with a fair bit of hassle at the moment. Normally drivers go throught the hassle and build up to the success. I think a difficult season like this was not a case of if but a case of when if you follow my theory there. All he can do is hopefully learn from it.

[What's Burning?]

The way I look at it is Hamilton's career has kind of gone in the reverse of what is considered normal, with all the success right at the start and dealing with a fair bit of hassle at the moment. Normally drivers go throught the hassle and build up to the success. I think a difficult season like this was not a case of if but a case of when if you follow my theory there. All he can do is hopefully learn from it.

I wouldn't look at it that way at all.

2007, he did mighty fine for a rookie... 2008, won.

2009 was a lost cause for anyone but Brawn, and we saw the potential for the Red Bulls.

2010 Lewis had a chance, in what was clearly not the best car on the grid, (people tend to forget the fact that a car does matter in this sport) I'd even go as far as saying that he may have even blown his own chance, due to his style but he wouldn't have even had a chance to blow were it not for his style. Apparently McLaren also feel that way and they sign his paycheck so they're fine living with a double edged sword that happens to be a marketing cash cow. Lots of other drivers blew their chances that year as well.

2011... with the car's dominance did anyone other than Webber have a chance really? The fight has been for second for some time. Additionally remove the Achilles heel of unreliability from the previous year, and RB is the team to beat.

So, I don't subscribe to your viewpoint.

[bud]

2007 was his worst season for dealing with negatives. To lead by 18 points with two races to go then lose it by 1 well this seasons a walk in the park compared.

[billindenver]

Why not ask the driver to change his driving style if it will result in points?

Especially when it is costing them points

Because the style as it is wins more than it loses. And it actually relies on that novel notion...racing

Statistically.....that's just not true. Neither when looked at it as a broad theory over all racing nor when looked at in regard to your favorite driver. If he could have dialed it back just a bit when prudent instead of rushing headlong all the time....he would be a triple world champion instead of barely winning a single and only then because Renault cheated.

I think this quote from Prew says a lot:

I think it should also be noted that Lewis is a very clever guy, he's a very good racing driver and he will reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and to come back stronger"

Reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and come back stronger....hmmm. I can't think of a translation for that sentence that doesn't mean "Look at his mistakes and not repeat them"...and that means they do expect him to change.

Bill!! hello there
I hate to disagree with you but i feel I have to. If you quote the whole of Prew's statement will hear him say he doesnt want Lewis to change his style because his style is what delivers wins and championships. If you really want proof you will need to look at all his overtakes and see how many are successful, raise him up the grid, score points, wins, a championship; and how many dont work out. I dont need to do that becuase i know the answer but feel free he may well be clever, he may well come back stronger.....Bill.........BE SCARED!!!

He is behind Button in the championship. Someone you have described as a mediocre driver. I'm not scared of Hamilton as long as he doesn't change his driving style. If he does exactly as he says he will...he's not a threat. He's been in the championship lead how many times in the last several years? And blown every lead to pieces with mistakes and over aggression. His passing is certainly fun to watch though. I can appreciate the balls out, no holds barred, no opening to small way of driving. The problem with it is...it seldom pays off at the end of a long season. It's fun to watch, no question....but as far as championships go, it just doesn't work. If you need proof of that, look back over the last 5 years or so.

I stand behind the statement that Hamilton would be a triple world champion (2007, 2008, 2010) if someone would coach him how to dial back his adrenaline level in the cockpit. He gets into the red mist and loses his focus. The kobi collision being a perfect example. Lack of concentration. As a race fan though, it's all been fun to watch.

[andrew]

I stand behind the statement that Hamilton would be a triple world champion (2007, 2008, 2010) if someone would coach him how to dial back his adrenaline level in the cockpit. He gets into the red mist and loses his focus. The kobi collision being a perfect example. Lack of concentration. As a race fan though, it's all been fun to watch.

Are you in fact Lewis Hamilton??

The guy himself has alluded to pretty much the same thing.

Hamilton: I'm not performing at my best...

[racechick]

Why not ask the driver to change his driving style if it will result in points?

Especially when it is costing them points

Because the style as it is wins more than it loses. And it actually relies on that novel notion...racing

Statistically.....that's just not true. Neither when looked at it as a broad theory over all racing nor when looked at in regard to your favorite driver. If he could have dialed it back just a bit when prudent instead of rushing headlong all the time....he would be a triple world champion instead of barely winning a single and only then because Renault cheated.

I think this quote from Prew says a lot:

I think it should also be noted that Lewis is a very clever guy, he's a very good racing driver and he will reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and to come back stronger"

Reflect on the difficulties he's had this year and come back stronger....hmmm. I can't think of a translation for that sentence that doesn't mean "Look at his mistakes and not repeat them"...and that means they do expect him to change.

Bill!! hello there
I hate to disagree with you but i feel I have to. If you quote the whole of Prew's statement will hear him say he doesnt want Lewis to change his style because his style is what delivers wins and championships. If you really want proof you will need to look at all his overtakes and see how many are successful, raise him up the grid, score points, wins, a championship; and how many dont work out. I dont need to do that becuase i know the answer but feel free he may well be clever, he may well come back stronger.....Bill.........BE SCARED!!!

He is behind Button in the championship. Someone you have described as a mediocre driver. I'm not scared of Hamilton as long as he doesn't change his driving style. If he does exactly as he says he will...he's not a threat. He's been in the championship lead how many times in the last several years? And blown every lead to pieces with mistakes and over aggression. His passing is certainly fun to watch though. I can appreciate the balls out, no holds barred, no opening to small way of driving. The problem with it is...it seldom pays off at the end of a long season. It's fun to watch, no question....but as far as championships go, it just doesn't work. If you need proof of that, look back over the last 5 years or so.

I stand behind the statement that Hamilton would be a triple world champion (2007, 2008, 2010) if someone would coach him how to dial back his adrenaline level in the cockpit. He gets into the red mist and loses his focus. The kobi collision being a perfect example. Lack of concentration. As a race fan though, it's all been fun to watch.

You still cant grasp that he wouldnt have all those points he did have to put him in that race/chapionship challenging position if he didnt drive as he does. And as regards mistakes all drivers make them. Its just Hamilton's get talked about a hellof a lot more. He also seems to end up on the rough end of any contact whether its from his mistake or not. Did you know he's only ever taken one driver out on the racetrack?? And how many times as he gone out through a simple racing incident, a minor error, or at the hands of another driver. Lots.

[LewEngBridewell]

Lewis says he feels like 2011 has been his worst season...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 841858.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's been under immense stress this time round. I hope it all cools down for him next year and McLaren produce a championship-winning car

[FRAFPDD]

Everyone keeps posting stories that are wrong, andrews posted one earlier today and this one above, these websites change whats actually said then put it in the title then you guys just copy it!


Itd be nice if you read it and made a quote or something from that, ive read both of your different news sources and nowhere in the article does he say what they claim he did in the title, its rather misleading.

Heres an interesting question from a french sports journal about Lewis Hamiltons agression posed to Mark Webber, Alonso, Massa and Kobayashi

Q: (Julien Febreau - L'Equipe) What do you think about Lewis Hamilton's driving style, in terms of aggression, and do you consider that he's too aggressive?

MW: No, he's not that aggressive, he's OK. He's just had a tough run in the last few races.

FA: Good.

FM: Yes.

KK: I think he's OK as well. Maybe I think you need to be aggressive when you're racing.

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[Hammer278]

Translated in bold:

MW: No, he's not that aggressive, he's OK. He's just had a tough run in the last few races.

FA: Good. (I'm glad he's had a tough run, hope it gets tougher!)

FM: Yes. (Agree with my Master)

[andrew]

Fraff, I did read it before I linked the report. Crash are notorious for sensationalistic headlines that over-hype the real story.