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Afghanistan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia are also set to make a bid for F1....

Rumors about Antarctica making a bid too...

Hot off the press, The Moon to be on the F1 calender by 2026

[racechick]

Afghanistan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia are also set to make a bid for F1....

Rumors about Antarctica making a bid too...

Hot off the press, The Moon to be on the F1 calender by 2026

Tickets will cost 100 billion pounds each and there will be no toilet facilities for the grandstands.

[FRAFPDD]

From what i read Iran has a massive revolutionary youth culture, its becoming less and less hardline Islam and more western, thats why things are going on there, the old guard are trying to reign it in, but they cant, nobody can. Only the politicians and government have frosty relations with the west mind, not like the entire population. Although i wouldnt hold it against them if they were, theyve probably been fed it through the media and of course theyll always fight for the Muslim cause, they cant be happy about the amount the west has killed over time whether warranted or not.


But that aside, and i dont want to talk about that anymore, countries getting Gp's is a chance to rid people of incorrect stereotypes and misconceptions, if nothing else, so like i said, why not?

[bud]

so like i said, why not?

I wouldn't want to go there for a holiday, I doubt many people would. So who would want to go to such a risky region as this for a Grand Prix? Im not sure the drivers or teams would like to be put at such risk either. Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are enough GPs for the middle east. Even in these the safest of the Middle east, we have seen trouble and a missed GP in Bahrain.



Sometimes Fraf I think you see the tone of a thread then choose the opposite view just for the sake of it...

[FRAFPDD]

so like i said, why not?

I wouldn't want to go there for a holiday, I doubt many people would. So who would want to go to such a risky region as this for a Grand Prix? Im not sure the drivers or teams would like to be put at such risk either. Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are enough GPs for the middle east. Even in these the safest of the Middle east, we have seen trouble and a missed GP in Bahrain.



Sometimes Fraf I think you see the tone of a thread then choose the opposite view just for the sake of it...

I can honestly say i dont, and stress that i at least dont consciously chose to disagree for the sake of it, maybe im subconsciously doing it but id rather just everyone agrees and theres no war so its probably just me.

Valid points i can see, but your assumption is "who would want to go", maybe the people who er...already live there, the iranians perhaps.....

Your assumption is probably the reason they dont like the west and their attitudes, the idea that "we" want to build a gp "over there" for "us", it wont be for us, we can go if we want, its a gp in iran for the iranians to see, and why i ask you to conclude, why should we deny iranians that chance because we dont agree with how their country is run?

[billindenver]

From what i read Iran has a massive revolutionary youth culture, its becoming less and less hardline Islam and more western, thats why things are going on there, the old guard are trying to reign it in, but they cant, nobody can. Only the politicians and government have frosty relations with the west mind, not like the entire population. Although i wouldnt hold it against them if they were, theyve probably been fed it through the media and of course theyll always fight for the Muslim cause, they cant be happy about the amount the west has killed over time whether warranted or not.


But that aside, and i dont want to talk about that anymore, countries getting Gp's is a chance to rid people of incorrect stereotypes and misconceptions, if nothing else, so like i said, why not?

Oh man, this is going to hurt a bit.

I completely agree with FRAFPDD.

[billindenver]

so like i said, why not?

I wouldn't want to go there for a holiday, I doubt many people would. So who would want to go to such a risky region as this for a Grand Prix? Im not sure the drivers or teams would like to be put at such risk either. Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are enough GPs for the middle east. Even in these the safest of the Middle east, we have seen trouble and a missed GP in Bahrain.
Sometimes Fraf I think you see the tone of a thread then choose the opposite view just for the sake of it...

Have you ever been to the middle east? I'd go for an F1 race. The last time I was in the region I wasn't there to play nice nice. I left my pound of flesh on the sand, but I took more than I gave. One thing I've learned...they aren't all bad and they don't all hate us. Sure, many do..but then that used to be the case between black and white in the world and that has certainly changed. Its time for the holy wars to cease and I would go if invited.

Besides, I always wanted to hoist the american flag inside of Iran.

I'm kidding...I kid.

No seriously....I mean, not really....sorta.

[bud]

so like i said, why not?

I wouldn't want to go there for a holiday, I doubt many people would. So who would want to go to such a risky region as this for a Grand Prix? Im not sure the drivers or teams would like to be put at such risk either. Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are enough GPs for the middle east. Even in these the safest of the Middle east, we have seen trouble and a missed GP in Bahrain.



Sometimes Fraf I think you see the tone of a thread then choose the opposite view just for the sake of it...

I can honestly say i dont, and stress that i at least dont consciously chose to disagree for the sake of it, maybe im subconsciously doing it but id rather just everyone agrees and theres no war so its probably just me.

Valid points i can see, but your assumption is "who would want to go", maybe the people who er...already live there, the iranians perhaps.....

Your assumption is probably the reason they dont like the west and their attitudes, the idea that "we" want to build a gp "over there" for "us", it wont be for us, we can go if we want, its a gp in iran for the iranians to see, and why i ask you to conclude, why should we deny iranians that chance because we dont agree with how their country is run?

So you would put the lives of the grid at risk just for Iranian people? The country is on travel warnings for most Western countries so why would F1 want to go there? For the sake of the Iranians? Well they can do what other people of Europe do who's own country does not host a GP... travel to the GPs close by. There is 2 and as i said 2 Middle Eastern GPS is plenty for that region, where track patrons would predominantly be tourists anyway. Turkey a country that is more middle eastern than European struggled for attendances, it does not have the Tourism numbers the likes of AD and Bahrain do, both those Middle Eastern countries have invested vastly in tourism to sustain their economies. And of the two which you would consider the safest to travel to in the Middle East, one has had social uprising which caused the cancelation of their GP. Iran is not a stable country F1 should not go there until it is seen as such for the safety of the F1 paddock who are the ones who have to travel there, not TV spectators.

so like i said, why not?

I wouldn't want to go there for a holiday, I doubt many people would. So who would want to go to such a risky region as this for a Grand Prix? Im not sure the drivers or teams would like to be put at such risk either. Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are enough GPs for the middle east. Even in these the safest of the Middle east, we have seen trouble and a missed GP in Bahrain.
Sometimes Fraf I think you see the tone of a thread then choose the opposite view just for the sake of it...

Have you ever been to the middle east? I'd go for an F1 race. The last time I was in the region I wasn't there to play nice nice. I left my pound of flesh on the sand, but I took more than I gave. One thing I've learned...they aren't all bad and they don't all hate us. Sure, many do..but then that used to be the case between black and white in the world and that has certainly changed. Its time for the holy wars to cease and I would go if invited.

Besides, I always wanted to hoist the american flag inside of Iran.

I'm kidding...I kid.

No seriously....I mean, not really....sorta.

closest I've been to the middle east is Europe Cant say id really want to go there, even though there are many great archeological wonders to see from Egypt to Jerusalem and ancient Babylon in Iraq.
But i would not feel safe there as a westerner, but hey if you want to raise the US flag Ill raise the Aussie one, they would have a hard decision who to kill first.

[FRAFPDD]

You served in the US armed forces i presume, unless you literally served in Iran, in which case you probably wont be allowed to tell me who you served with.

[andrew]

Afghanistan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia are also set to make a bid for F1....

Rumors about Antarctica making a bid too...

Hot off the press, The Moon to be on the F1 calender by 2026

Tickets will cost 100 billion pounds each and there will be no toilet facilities for the grandstands.

Isn't that what they have now?

Sometimes Fraf I think you see the tone of a thread then choose the opposite view just for the sake of it...

Ach, it's all good banter.

[racechick]

Afghanistan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia are also set to make a bid for F1....

Rumors about Antarctica making a bid too...

Hot off the press, The Moon to be on the F1 calender by 2026

Tickets will cost 100 billion pounds each and there will be no toilet facilities for the grandstands.

Isn't that what they have now?

Yep, but the tickets arent quite that expensive.

[andrew]

But that aside, and i dont want to talk about that anymore, countries getting Gp's is a chance to rid people of incorrect stereotypes and misconceptions, if nothing else, so like i said, why not?

I agree with your "why not" sentiment, I think it is a good thing that a sport like F1 is possibly going to be venturing into territories and hopefully attract new viewers and alwyas welcome a new country to the calander. Everywhere deserves a chance is my sentiment. Maybe things in this area will settle down over the next couple of years, we live in hope.

I would be interested to read MrE's comments on the possibility of Iran as a new venue.

[andrew]

Yep, but the tickets arent quite that expensive.

Aye there something like £99 billion!

MrE needs the cash to keep him in slim attractive young things.

[FRAFPDD]

So you would put the lives of the grid at risk just for Iranian people? The country is on travel warnings for most Western countries so why would F1 want to go there? For the sake of the Iranians? Well they can do what other people of Europe do who's own country does not host a GP... travel to the GPs close by. There is 2 and as i said 2 Middle Eastern GPS is plenty for that region, where track patrons would predominantly be tourists anyway. Turkey a country that is more middle eastern than European struggled for attendances, it does not have the Tourism numbers the likes of AD and Bahrain do, both those Middle Eastern countries have invested vastly in tourism to sustain their economies. And of the two which you would consider the safest to travel to in the Middle East, one has had social uprising which caused the cancelation of their GP. Iran is not a stable country F1 should not go there until it is seen as such for the safety of the F1 paddock who are the ones who have to travel there, not TV spectators

Last time i checked the major terrorist attacks in the past 10 years happened in Spanish, British and American terrotories......... we have grand prixs with lax security. i mean real lax.

Your also lumping the middle east as one country, some of them really dont like each other and are completely different, even religiously.

Iran has a government, and isnt war torn, whats the prob? The middle east is a region not a single country too, seem to lump them all together.

Going to Afghanistan is a risk, Iran is a very up and coming country.

Coming from bill whos been to the region, not everyone hates westerners too.


On your chat with bill, and the australian flag, i dont think theyd have a problem with australia, maybe the union flag in the corner of it, unless of course you hoist that flag in Lebanon, which i hear dont quite get on with Australians.

[bud]

You forgot to mention the Bali bombings. Indian bombings to name a few. Then there's the constant bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan. But hey if you think the middle east is as safe as traveling to the west then put your money where your mouth is and go on down there for a holiday, send some post cards

You have to look at things in regions when it comes to F1, Bernie does so why does the middle east need more than 2 (3 if you class turkey) grand prix? I would much rather see 2 grand prix in the US than another race in Asia or the middle east.