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[FRAFPDD]

vettel managing pressure once, and even then mainly down to the last corner run he got opposed to hamilton, is commendable, but it doesnt just eradicate these other instances........ vettel might be the fastest guy in f1, but for me and my opinion alone thats all he has going for him, for me his car makes him look better then he is.

[LewEngBridewell]

vettel knew after two laps hamilton couldnt get past at that corner, lets say he did, so he handled the pressure once, i posted three instances....

Barcelona's just a crap circuit though. Say that battle had occurred at most other circuits? It would've been much more interesting. But it was pressure nonetheless.

[f1ea]

You didnt post 3 instances of him not managing pressure. You showed 3 mistakes. Every driver makes mistakes. Managing pressure is, despite the mitakes, keeping his head on the important thing: the championship.

[andrew]

When all's said and done, Vettel is most likely going to be the 2011 Drivers Champion. Ergo, he is the best of the current crop of drivers this year, that usually goes hand in hand with winning the championship. 'Nuff said.

Who it'll be next year is anyone's guess.

[What's Burning?]

You didnt post 3 instances of him not managing pressure. You showed 3 mistakes. Every driver makes mistakes. Managing pressure is, despite the mitakes, keeping his head on the important thing: the championship.

Easy to manage mistakes with a 100 point lead, the most dominant car, and no mechanical failures to speak of. Congratulations to RB for that.

[andrew]

You didnt post 3 instances of him not managing pressure. You showed 3 mistakes. Every driver makes mistakes. Managing pressure is, despite the mitakes, keeping his head on the important thing: the championship.

Easy to manage mistakes with a 100 point lead, the most dominant car, and no mechanical failures to speak of. Congratulations to RB for that.

With a huge lead and a dominant car it is easier to get complacent and end up making stupid mistakes.

[What's Burning?]

You didnt post 3 instances of him not managing pressure. You showed 3 mistakes. Every driver makes mistakes. Managing pressure is, despite the mitakes, keeping his head on the important thing: the championship.

Easy to manage mistakes with a 100 point lead, the most dominant car, and no mechanical failures to speak of. Congratulations to RB for that.

With a huge lead and a dominant car it is easier to get complacent and end up making stupid mistakes.

Well if it's that difficult, name me a driver that wouldn't trade places with Seb today.

[andrew]

You didnt post 3 instances of him not managing pressure. You showed 3 mistakes. Every driver makes mistakes. Managing pressure is, despite the mitakes, keeping his head on the important thing: the championship.

Easy to manage mistakes with a 100 point lead, the most dominant car, and no mechanical failures to speak of. Congratulations to RB for that.

With a huge lead and a dominant car it is easier to get complacent and end up making stupid mistakes.

Well if it's that difficult, name me a driver that wouldn't trade places with Seb today.

Of course none of them wouldn't! But it would be easy for silly mistakes to creep in if Vettel and/or red Bull think they have the entire season in the bag. Ok chances are they have got it in the bag but nothing is over just yet until the maths says it is impossible.

[f1ea]

You didnt post 3 instances of him not managing pressure. You showed 3 mistakes. Every driver makes mistakes. Managing pressure is, despite the mitakes, keeping his head on the important thing: the championship.

Easy to manage mistakes with a 100 point lead, the most dominant car, and no mechanical failures to speak of. Congratulations to RB for that.

And the 100 pt lead came from... ?? ??

Fact is, Mclaren have been close to challenging several times, other times Ferrari creeps its head... but after all its said and done, most times: Bam! Vettel takes pole and goes on to win. In the other few cases... he still ends up with a podium. Sure... RB should take the credit.

Since its the obvious Mclaren camp (as always when ANYBODY but whomever they support, and whomever wins does not deserve it because they either cheat, have a poor teammate or has the best car) wins championships... i'm going to use their tried and true M.O.: Look at his teammate.

[Big Azza]

As I have posted somewhere else, Vettel was not the only one who cracked under pressure in Canada that day. Even Button, Alonso, Webber and heaven forbid Lewis Hamilton, also cracked under pressure.

Let's not just focus on Catalunya - we can add Monaco to it. That was absolutely intense. A team mistake and he decided to race the rest of the race on super-softs.

Two races in a row he was under pressure, and as I think Herbert was saying, he put in an ultimate display of defensive driving. Did you see it? He didn't focus on the guy behind him in the here-and-now, and just that final corner. Remember, those guys were using DRS to catch up with him. What Vettel did was absolutely amazing - he constructed the whole lap to ensure that he was just far enough ahead at the end of the DRS zone. And he did that consistently lap after lap. I do not think any driver on the grid has that capacity to be so consistent lap-after-lap under pressure.

But does anyone remember Vettel's outlap in Catalunya? I think he had to overtake 3 or 4 cars in order to make his strategy stick. That is why Vettel's qualification lap is ALWAYS perfect. I think the consistency to focus on the entire lap, not just corner-after-corner, shapes everything about Vettel: His overtaking in Spa, his defensive driving in Catalunya and Monaco.

We have not seen his problem with overtaking this year. Yet last year both Mark and Seb had issues with overtaking. In a thread inflamed with unprecedented passion for our teams I'm going to attribute Mark and Seb's overtaking blunders (except Turkey) to a car that became unstable when in another cars slipstream.

This year, Vettel has done a lot of overtaking - but it's not the wheel-banging 50-50 overtaking style of someone else on the grid. It seems that he chooses not overtake, because pushing his tires and sticking his nose in somewhere where it doesn't belong has a big potential to compromise his race strategy. When he does have to overtake, he whooshes past his opponent. These might look easy, but he constructs the overtaking position, like how he constructs the defensive driving. I could see in Belgium and Catalunya that he sets up the overtake and his driving line a few corners beforehand.

Another amazing attribute of Vettel is his tire management. See how he was trying to keep his tires cool in Silverstone?

[bud]

You didnt post 3 instances of him not managing pressure. You showed 3 mistakes. Every driver makes mistakes. Managing pressure is, despite the mitakes, keeping his head on the important thing: the championship.

Easy to manage mistakes with a 100 point lead, the most dominant car, and no mechanical failures to speak of. Congratulations to RB for that.

And the 100 pt lead came from... ?? ??

Fact is, Mclaren have been close to challenging several times, other times Ferrari creeps its head... but after all its said and done, most times: Bam! Vettel takes pole and goes on to win. In the other few cases... he still ends up with a podium. Sure... RB should take the credit.

Since its the obvious Mclaren camp (as always when ANYBODY but whomever they support, and whomever wins does not deserve it because they either cheat, have a poor teammate or has the best car) wins championships... i'm going to use their tried and true M.O.: Look at his teammate.

You got it all wrong, that just applies to Alonso!

But McLaren challenging is one thing. What's better being the chaser or the chased? I'd rather be the chased which is what Vettel has with his RedBull. He is having the perfect season, his team mate is struggling to come to terms with the new tyres so he is left to wrench out the potential of the car which is by far ahead of the rest.
You may see that as critisism but it's just stating the facts.

[f1ea]

You got it all wrong, that just applies to Alonso!

No way!! that applies to almost EVERY driver that's not been a Mclaren, and its been going on for yrs; according to the Mcjudges they either cheat, lie or steal. Its a pattern.

[FRAFPDD]

You didnt post 3 instances of him not managing pressure. You showed 3 mistakes. Every driver makes mistakes. Managing pressure is, despite the mitakes, keeping his head on the important thing: the championship.

Perhaps your right, but dont you think its awful convenient that he NEVER makes mistakes when leading, but this mistakes came right at times we was massively pressured for the lead of the race? Thats telling imo.


Every driver makes mistakes, but none of them bar Vettel only make mistakes when someones really up their jacksy, if them three instances dont convince you we could add more.....


Vettel-Hamilton Valencia 2010, Safety car comes in and Hamilton chases Vettel down to first corner, Vettel locks up and almost loses the position going deep into the final corner, would he of done that without Hamilton right on him, i dont think so.


Im saying it how i see it, not how i want to see it, agendas and bias dont rule me, i dont see Vettel as someone that handles pressure too well, most likely cause he isnt used to it. Hes method of winning is getting blistering poles, like Senna.

Hamiltons method of winning is being a racer, might start 2nd or 3rd on the grid, often first too mind, and he races people to win.

Alonso judges what points finishes he needs and goes for the long run, the championship, hes also a very fast driver and thinker.


All three with slightly different and successful ways of winning. Vettels for me has it downsides in being, he isnt a racer, hes a poleman, thats his style.
When hes challenged for first place thats not his comfort zone.

[billindenver]

You didnt post 3 instances of him not managing pressure. You showed 3 mistakes. Every driver makes mistakes. Managing pressure is, despite the mitakes, keeping his head on the important thing: the championship.

Perhaps your right, but dont you think its awful convenient that he NEVER makes mistakes when leading, but this mistakes came right at times we was massively pressured for the lead of the race? Thats telling imo.
Every driver makes mistakes, but none of them bar Vettel only make mistakes when someones really up their jacksy, if them three instances dont convince you we could add more.....

Ok, this is getting rather confusing. If a driver makes mistakes only when under 'massive pressure' as you say, rather than like others who make mistakes whether under pressure or not....that's a good thing. You are seriously making an argument that it's better to make mistakes when not under pressure than to make them only when under pressure? I can't even fathom where you are coming from here. You say Vettel is the only one who ONLY makes mistakes when someone is 'up his jacksy'..... Well, that's the kind of driver I want. Another driver who crashes out when he isn't under pressure....I don't want that guy anywhere near my car.

As far as Vettel's mistakes go, we've all seen other drivers throw a large lead out the window with silly mistakes or overaggressive driving. Seb has shown no sign of that thus far. Vettel has grown a lot in the last year in my eyes...basically by refusing to believe he is perfect already and striving to learn from his mistakes and change accordingly. I'm starting to believe we are all witnessing the birth of the next legend.

[bud]

I'm starting to believe we are all witnessing the birth of the next legend.

Time will tell, it just might be the case. 2 titles at this age he might be on for a bakers dozen by the time he is through!

You got it all wrong, that just applies to Alonso!

No way!! that applies to almost EVERY driver that's not been a Mclaren, and its been going on for yrs; according to the Mcjudges they either cheat, lie or steal. Its a pattern.

I think you're being a bit dramatic, Besides there are PLENTY of Ferrari fans who are not fans of Vettel far worse in judgment than what you call McJudges... I mean Spankyham (dunno where he has gone?) was on Redbulls back over every little innovation in annoyance at Sebs dominance.

I see it as you're just nit picking to suit.