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By andrew
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Any champion is a great champion, from Vettel to Rosberg to Andretti, you dont win it by being crap.


Some champions carry themselves better and actually act like champions, especially the younger champions

You could be crap and have no competition the year that the driver wins the WDC


cough 2009 cough


The year of MrM's gift.......
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By AKR
#273218
You once supported Ferrari? So what made you turn cold hearted. Like in football one should never change teams. You have broken the rules, thus you are a traitor yes?


Not so much as turning cold hearted, just seen the light (hallelujah). Well first Luca di Montezemolo was quite disparaging about Schumacher's achievements with the team, then they paid of Raikkonen for Alonso and a huge bag of Spanish gold, then there was the German GP last year and Ferrari lying by spouting rubbish that is was better for the constructor's to have Alonso finish ahead of Massa and then there is the continual screwing of Massa. Once Massa (and hopefully) Smedley move on Ferrari will have nothing going for them at all. And there is Domenicali's constant moaning about other teams having something they didn't think of - like the double diffusers and the EBD - fair enough he's annoyed that they missed the boat but how about having your own versions rather than try and get things like this banned. The guy just annoys me, he is not a patch on Jean Todt.

Traitor? No, just don't see anything to support at Ferrari these days. Maybe if they get rid of Domenicali and Alonso then I might change my mind but that is a long way off, but I can be paitient. It's annoying that Vettel is on the Ferrari radar - that is going to be a confusing time (there mentioned Vettel and got this back on topic :D ).


Pretty lame excuse to change teams. Just shows you are not a real fan I guess. I put the team first before anyone. Take Alonso for example. Do you think I haven't forgotten the loud mouthing he used to say about Ferrari from his Renaut days. And I reckon he had something to do with Crash Gate at Singapore 2008 which cost Massa the title too. But of course he is at Ferrari now and he is making a difference because Massa clearly is shitt now. Because changing teams, a team I have supportered all my life is the act of a traitor, I just close my eyes and forget of Alonso's past. If he wins a title he will be a legend, if not he can be put behind. Simple as that.

As for Vettel going to Ferrari. If he wants to achieve the greatness of countryman Schumacher, it will be a wise move. Afterall there is nothing greater than to win for Ferrari. Vettel will soon be a double world champ. If he ever went to McLaren, winning for McLaren would be like winning for Red Bull. In other words just an ordinary F1 team. He would have already done that twice. If he wants to set himself a new challenge, to win for Ferrari would be the ultimate in glory for Vettel.
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By FRAFPDD
#273219
I like your passion AKR ill give you that,


what thoughts would you have on Hamilton driving for Ferrari?, personally the yellow helmet in that red car coupled with Hamiltons exubarent style, passion for racing and if you want to throw it in there his Catholic Religious upbringing and values id say he'd be a hit with the tifosi, after all, from what i hear the tifosi support anyone who drives in red. I dont care much for Mlcaren either, they ruined Prost with the Senna favouritism and then muck up Hamiltons chances every other race. Id love to see Hamilton at Ferrari, might even gather some support for them....

Sauber and Williams are the two teams i like.
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By bud
#273220
Hamilton fan wanting him at Ferrari? :yikes: Dissing McLaren? the team that harboured his career, signing him up as a kid? Cmon wise up!
By andrew
#273221
Pretty lame excuse to change teams. Just shows you are not a real fan I guess.


It's a pretty good excuse in my book. I was one of those fans who defended Ferrari like there was no tomorrow but the decisions they have made since those times have disappointed me and I can't support them anymore, but each to their own.

I disagree that Vettel, or any other driver has to go to Ferrari to equal or beat Schumacher's records. As long as Red Bull are pumping out good cars then there is no real reason for him to jump ship. realisticly, Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari are the best bet for winning championships.

Ferrari for some is a big deal for the history side of things but there are other teams that are just, if not more capable to winning consistently.

Hamilton fan wanting him at Ferrari? :yikes: Dissing McLaren? the team that harboured his career, signing him up as a kid? Cmon wise up!


:hehe:
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By FRAFPDD
#273222
Just cant find a reason to support them, for such a professional team they make far too many mistakes, not to mention i dont consider them a British team personally, sure they might be, but itll always be a New Zealander team to me.

Not to mention Hamilton gave Mclaren a WDC, its not as if he hasnt paid his dues to the team that brought him in, he also has given them 5 years still going the best driver in their team and i think 16/17 wins?
By What's Burning?
#273223
Vettel will soon be a double world champ. If he ever went to McLaren, winning for McLaren would be like winning for Red Bull. In other words just an ordinary F1 team. He would have already done that twice. If he wants to set himself a new challenge, to win for Ferrari would be the ultimate in glory for Vettel.


You have to be careful with your words Kiki. I know you love to stir things up and have a little fun and you're enjoying this thread, but when passion overrides logic... You get statements like that above.

Because what you've just said is that Ferrari hasn't had a champion since 2007, they've been beaten three years running by ordinary F1 teams. Underfunded white cars even! But yet they're the best team in F1. So I find it hard to understand why winning for Ferrari is the pinnacle of achievement, while winning for another team isn't. If you're talking history, then other teams have long illustrious history as well... perhaps not as long as Ferrari but at some point to say you're the best, you have to back that up with current results. You can't show me the Roman Colosseum and say that's it's the greatest sporting arena in the world.

Right now, Red Bull is the best team in F1 and they can prove it.
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By AKR
#273225
I like your passion AKR ill give you that,


what thoughts would you have on Hamilton driving for Ferrari?, personally the yellow helmet in that red car coupled with Hamiltons exubarent style, passion for racing and if you want to throw it in there his Catholic Religious upbringing and values id say he'd be a hit with the tifosi, after all, from what i hear the tifosi support anyone who drives in red. I dont care much for Mlcaren either, they ruined Prost with the Senna favouritism and then muck up Hamiltons chances every other race. Id love to see Hamilton at Ferrari, might even gather some support for them....

Sauber and Williams are the two teams i like.


Hamiton also did a lot of karting in Italy, speaks Italian and likes Italy. If Hamilton were at Ferrari I would support him. Afterall its the car and team that I really go for as number 1.
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By bud
#273226
Just cant find a reason to support them, for such a professional team they make far too many mistakes, not to mention i dont consider them a British team personally, sure they might be, but itll always be a New Zealander team to me.

Not to mention Hamilton gave Mclaren a WDC, its not as if he hasnt paid his dues to the team that brought him in, he also has given them 5 years still going the best driver in their team and i think 16/17 wins?


He has given them 1 and also made some mistakes of his own along the way which has cost the team. They take the bad as a team. New Zealander team? where is the NZ anthem on the podium then?

But going to Ferrari isn't just a given title, Fernando has shown this, almost in his first year but it will have to be in his 3rd season with the team until he maybe pulls it off, given RedBull and McLarens form it won't be easy like when Schumi had such car advantage.
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By FRAFPDD
#273228
Just cant find a reason to support them, for such a professional team they make far too many mistakes, not to mention i dont consider them a British team personally, sure they might be, but itll always be a New Zealander team to me.

Not to mention Hamilton gave Mclaren a WDC, its not as if he hasnt paid his dues to the team that brought him in, he also has given them 5 years still going the best driver in their team and i think 16/17 wins?


He has given them 1 and also made some mistakes of his own along the way which has cost the team. They take the bad as a team. New Zealander team? where is the NZ anthem on the podium then?

But going to Ferrari isn't just a given title, Fernando has shown this, almost in his first year but it will have to be in his 3rd season with the team until he maybe pulls it off, given RedBull and McLarens form it won't be easy like when Schumi had such car advantage.



Bud you didnt read what i said, i said they might be a british team, but theyll always be a new zealander team to me.

Also, given how much effort, time, manpower, money, sweat and tears is given by teams to try and win races let alone WDC's id say winning one is more then enough repayment, Mclarend didnt sponsor him to be kind, they arent Mother Teresa, they did it to get a return from him in the future, they got their return in 2008, and in the other years Hamilton has won races for them.

I didnt say Ferrari was a given title either, id just like very much to see Hamilton driving for them.
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By bud
#273229
Well they are what they are, if you want to go back through history then you could say "I don't see McLaren as a New Zealand team, Bruce's ancestors...McLaren were clearly Scottish" :hehe:

anyways providing a guy his path for his career id expect more than just 1 title. But titles take the whole package. Kinda like the thread topics driver has... who is this thread about again? :hehe:
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By f1ea
#273230
Vettel is a worthy champion. He has the best car, but at the times he's been under pressure he simply goes into 'perfect mode'. Don't even remember when his last mistake was...

Are there other better drivers? of course. That's the case with everyone. There's always sombody that could better than pretty much anyone... it simply takes a package not delivering accordingly, a tire change that doesnt suit X or Y, or a couple near misses that became misses...

So there ya go, we're right back on topic ;)
By andrew
#273234
Also, given how much effort, time, manpower, money, sweat and tears is given by teams to try and win races let alone WDC's id say winning one is more then enough repayment, Mclarend didnt sponsor him to be kind, they arent Mother Teresa, they did it to get a return from him in the future, they got their return in 2008, and in the other years Hamilton has won races for them.


I agree with what you say but I also agree with what Bud says (surely a sign of impending doom). Getting his one title so far and gathering decent points for the constructors has reapaid Ron Dennis's faith in Hamilton to an extent. Given the amount of time and money spent on a kid in go-karts and bringing them through the ranks into F1 is a huge investment and a risk. McLaren will want more than one title out of him and they are going to want to win the constructors championship whilst Hamilton is in one of their cars.

The same goes for Vettel who Red Bull invested in way before he was in F1. Obviously you take into account marketability of a driver and the various PR duties that drivers are obliged to do.

I didnt say Ferrari was a given title either, id just like very much to see Hamilton driving for them.


Linking into the above (and this goes for Vettel and any other driver who has been sponsored/invested in by an F1 team since year dot), part of me wonders if it is entirely up to the driver if they change teams. The team which has spent a fortune on a driver since before their F1 days will want their pound of flesh and I can't really see an F1 team wanting to give the driver the full control of their future, especially if the driver concerned has a lot of potential. The team will want a fair bit of loyalty from a driver but the driver will obviously want to get the best possible deal for themselves, which is fair enough.

Probably best to give an example. I looked into applying for as a driver to Stagecoach a while ago and getting put through my bus license. In return, I am obliged to remain at Stagecoach for 2 years. If I were to leave before then for a better deal I have to pay £1,400 for my training. I would imagine it is kind of the same idea with drivers like Hamilton and Vettel only the sums involved are a lot higher, with the goals set by the team being championships, points or finishing targets. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems plausible.

As for hamilton going to Ferrari, not whilst Alonso is there. Neither driver would want a repeat of 2007 and Ferrari would not want to fast drivers - they want a fast guy and a "team player".
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By FRAFPDD
#273236
Vettel is a worthy champion. He has the best car, but at the times he's been under pressure he simply goes into 'perfect mode'. Don't even remember when his last mistake was...

Are there other better drivers? of course. That's the case with everyone. There's always sombody that could better than pretty much anyone... it simply takes a package not delivering accordingly, a tire change that doesnt suit X or Y, or a couple near misses that became misses...

So there ya go, we're right back on topic ;)



Strange you came to a totally different conclusion from me lol, every time ive seen him under pressure, hes made a mistake?!



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Vettel spinning under pressure to catch Alonso


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Vettel spinning under pressure for the lead from Hamilton



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Vettel spinning under pressure for the lead from Button







Hes shining area is getting pole and going from there.
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By LewEngBridewell
#273267
Well Fraffy, he won in Barcelona when under massive pressure from Lewis Hamilton.....
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