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By racechick
#272804
I dare say if Lauda sat on you're side of the fence you would think he was wonderful but because he takes a differant stance he doesn't get a fair press. Just look at internet forums. Some people dare to hold a different view to the masses and they get flamed. Just the way it is sadly.


How can you respect someone, who says of a current driver-"He is a danger, he is mad, he needs the FIA to punish him, he will kill someone" ?

And then talks of his own racing thus:-

"In my day we used to hit each other off the road but if somebody complained afterwards, we'd just say, 'I don't know what happened'. Now you cannot really do that."

The cars he raced were far more dangerous than todays cars. Lauda has another agenda.
By andrew
#272814
I dare say if Lauda sat on you're side of the fence you would think he was wonderful but because he takes a differant stance he doesn't get a fair press. Just look at internet forums. Some people dare to hold a different view to the masses and they get flamed. Just the way it is sadly.


How can you respect someone, who says of a current driver-"He is a danger, he is mad, he needs the FIA to punish him, he will kill someone" ?


Very easily.

And then talks of his own racing thus:-

"In my day we used to hit each other off the road but if somebody complained afterwards, we'd just say, 'I don't know what happened'. Now you cannot really do that."

The cars he raced were far more dangerous than todays cars. Lauda has another agenda.


:rofl: Lauda has an agenda! Back in the 70's they could get away with this. Drivers didn't go running to the stewards every time someone looked at them the wrong way and the cars could stand up to a bit of punishment. Safety was a dirty word until around the mid-70's and the drivers were organising strikes and wotnot. The stewards also had a lot less data available to them so it was harder for them to penalise anyone and would have to rely mainly on driver accounts of an incident.

Now, the cars are totally different, they are a hell of a lot faster and the sport and rules have changed, for example a defending driver can only make on defensive move. I've heard this analogy before from older drivers. After Schumachers crash at Jerez 97, Nelson Piquet piped up syaing that this is what used to happen and it was all part of the sport.

What Lauda is saying, back then you could get away with various antics, now you can't.
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By bud
#272820
After Schumachers crash at Jerez 97,


that wasn't a defensive move, that was exactly like his move on Damon in Adelaide, more a Kamikaze move.
By andrew
#272822
After Schumachers crash at Jerez 97,


that wasn't a defensive move, that was exactly like his move on Damon in Adelaide, more a Kamikaze move.


Funny that Hill has since called it a desperate lunge and has since said that he should have stayed his hand.
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By bud
#272824
After Schumachers crash at Jerez 97,


that wasn't a defensive move, that was exactly like his move on Damon in Adelaide, more a Kamikaze move.


Funny that Hill has since called it a desperate lunge and has since said that he should have stayed his hand.


Doesn't change the fact Schumi deliberately turned in on his opponent in an attempt to take him out. He should have been DSQ in 94 as he was in 97. Was on pit straight in 94, the crowd were not very welcoming of Schumi at all for what he did.
By andrew
#272828
Doesn't change the fact Schumi deliberately turned in on his opponent in an attempt to take him out. He should have been DSQ in 94 as he was in 97. Was on pit straight in 94, the crowd were not very welcoming of Schumi at all for what he did.


Did he deliberately turn in? So why did the FIA not disqulify him? More than likely Hill was in Schumacher's blind spot. Just on of those things really.
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By bud
#272829
Doesn't change the fact Schumi deliberately turned in on his opponent in an attempt to take him out. He should have been DSQ in 94 as he was in 97. Was on pit straight in 94, the crowd were not very welcoming of Schumi at all for what he did.


Did he deliberately turn in? So why did the FIA not disqulify him? More than likely Hill was in Schumacher's blind spot. Just on of those things really.


no point debating this with a Schumacher fan. Its pretty obvious to the non biased fan what happened.
By andrew
#272831
Doesn't change the fact Schumi deliberately turned in on his opponent in an attempt to take him out. He should have been DSQ in 94 as he was in 97. Was on pit straight in 94, the crowd were not very welcoming of Schumi at all for what he did.


Did he deliberately turn in? So why did the FIA not disqulify him? More than likely Hill was in Schumacher's blind spot. Just on of those things really.


no point debating this with a Schumacher fan. Its pretty obvious to the non biased fan what happened.


Pretty much like there is no point debating with a Hamilton fan. Horses for courses isn't it?

Anyway, it was years ago, it has gone down in F1 history where no one will ever agree so best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Now I believe we were discussing Vettel before Adelade 94 and before the various musings, anecdotes and memories of Niki Lauda. We'll probably be told to get back to that shortly.
By andrew
#272833
Dunno, I don't debate with them... I'm a McLaren fan.


You been taking lessons on being pedantic from Lew? :rofl: Ah well, you know what I mean.
By Hammer278
#272854
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Not sure if the youtube embed worked properly... Oh well hopefully you can see.

Fixed it for ya :wink: DD


This...is the best part of the movie by far...and unfortunately there weren't many others. :D

No point arguing with andrew...if Lauda was a huge Hamilton fan and kept praising him no end, you can bet your house andrew will be condemning him no end. Arguing about this is such a waste of time. :yawn:
By andrew
#272859
No point arguing with andrew...if Lauda was a huge Hamilton fan and kept praising him no end, you can bet your house andrew will be condemning him no end. Arguing about this is such a waste of time. :yawn:


Well that's just the biggest load of bovine manure I've read in a long time! Lauda is a Hamilton fan, he's said it often enough. He's praised, complimented him and said quite a few nice things about Hamilton along with pointing out where he needs to improve. Yet I'm not condemning Lauda. Funny that. :rolleyes:
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By racechick
#272907
I dare say if Lauda sat on you're side of the fence you would think he was wonderful but because he takes a differant stance he doesn't get a fair press. Just look at internet forums. Some people dare to hold a different view to the masses and they get flamed. Just the way it is sadly.


How can you respect someone, who says of a current driver-"He is a danger, he is mad, he needs the FIA to punish him, he will kill someone" ?


Very easily.

And then talks of his own racing thus:-

"In my day we used to hit each other off the road but if somebody complained afterwards, we'd just say, 'I don't know what happened'. Now you cannot really do that."

The cars he raced were far more dangerous than todays cars. Lauda has another agenda.


:rofl: Lauda has an agenda! Back in the 70's they could get away with this. Drivers didn't go running to the stewards every time someone looked at them the wrong way and the cars could stand up to a bit of punishment. Safety was a dirty word until around the mid-70's and the drivers were organising strikes and wotnot. The stewards also had a lot less data available to them so it was harder for them to penalise anyone and would have to rely mainly on driver accounts of an incident.

Now, the cars are totally different, they are a hell of a lot faster and the sport and rules have changed, for example a defending driver can only make on defensive move. I've heard this analogy before from older drivers. After Schumachers crash at Jerez 97, Nelson Piquet piped up syaing that this is what used to happen and it was all part of the sport.

What Lauda is saying, back then you could get away with various antics, now you can't.


No, well some drivers wouldn't go running to the stewards all the time now. But some use any tactic they can.
Neverthe less. Lauda is being a hypocrite. He admits driving dangerously. he condones Schumachers dangerous driving and then he calls Lewis out for a racing incident. Hypocrite.
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By LewEngBridewell
#272928
Dunno, I don't debate with them... I'm a McLaren fan.


You been taking lessons on being pedantic from Lew? :rofl: Ah well, you know what I mean.


Better than that taking lessons on how to cause arguments left, right and centre from you. :hehe:
By andrew
#272930
Dunno, I don't debate with them... I'm a McLaren fan.


You been taking lessons on being pedantic from Lew? :rofl: Ah well, you know what I mean.


Better than that taking lessons on how to cause arguments left, right and centre from you. :hehe:


I took lessons from Fraffy. :wink:
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