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[andrew]

Another classic track to look forward to.

Two separate DRS zones to be used at Monza - on the start/finish straight and between the second Lesmo and the Ascari chicane. The detection point for the first zone will be on the exit of the Parabolica, with the other between the Lesmos.

Can't wait!

[Frontrunner]

good to see that they are using 2 seperate detection points for both zones, thats what it should of been in Canada aswell. Anyway it will make for a interesting race, thats for sure.

[andrew]

Should be but I'm still not sold on DRS.

The wise heads are saying that if Rd Bull dominate here it is definately game over for the likes of McLaren as this should be a McLaren track. Hopefully this will be another good showing from Merc.

[bud]

I think its game over already now anyways, Unless Seb gets injured or something out of the ordinary like that he just needs to keep scoring.
But I think it will be the usual suspects out front, with Redbulls strangle hold on Qualifying continuing.

[Denthúl]

Two DRS zones...why?

[Hammer278]

I dont understand...when I saw two DRS zones posted for Italy I was flabbergasted.

Did anyone witness what happened in Spa? The DRS made a mockery out of overtaking and seriously, Monza is the EASIEST place on the calendar to overtake by right there shouldn't even be ONE DRS zone!

I think DRS is basicaly an okay idea to "assist" racing, but not for tracks like Spa and Monza...I mean come on, racing is about defending as well. If its about letting fast cars pass, where's the racing element?

My money is on Alonso to win in Monza. Ferrari have a good engine and Italy will give them that extra two tenths. After McLarens lousy display in Spa, I don't know if they can mount a credible challenge but I still expect Lewis to be fighting for victory with Alonso. If Vettel manages to get pole or win here...all credit to the nerdy looking kid, take the second WDC already and piss off for your holidays....let the rest race for second!!

[FRAFPDD]

Hpoing for Lewis to win purely to get back on track and do it at a track where he hasnt won before, crashed out the last two, and the fans their hate him, thatd be a treat.


Also, Sauber clocked the fastest speed trap time in spa, and also in i think Australia and another track i noticed, they also have a good car they say best suited for high speed corners, i reckon a 6th/7th place result is on the cards if things go right.

Dont expect to see Vettel on the podium for this one, Ferrari and Mclaren will have it covered.

[myownalias]

DRS is not needed at the traditional tracks like Spa and Monza; it just goes to show that it must be [Tilke] track design that has caused the lack of overtaking, hence the need for DRS! The main straight at Monza is HUGE; if another car can't get a slipstream down there, there is no hope; DRS will make it look like a motorway overtake, which will ruin the spectacle for me. I'm hoping for a JB win; he has finished second in the last two years at Monza, moving to the top step will be nice, hopefully LH will be able to make it past the first lap this year. At this point of the season, I really don't care who wins as long as it's not SV, I find dominance by one driver and/or team rally makes my interest dissipate as the season progresses.

[FRAFPDD]

DRS is not needed at the traditional tracks like Spa and Monza; it just goes to show that it must be [Tilke] track design that has caused the lack of overtaking, hence the need for DRS! The main straight at Monza is HUGE; if another car can't get a slipstream down there, there is no hope; DRS will make it look like a motorway overtake, which will ruin the spectacle for me. I'm hoping for a JB win; he has finished second in the last two years at Monza, moving to the top step will be nice, hopefully LH will be able to make it past the first lap this year. At this point of the season, I really don't care who wins as long as it's not SV, I find dominance by one driver and/or team rally makes my interest dissipate as the season progresses.

1. ITS THE CARS

2. ^ See above.

[bud]

Hpoing for Lewis to win purely to get back on track and do it at a track where he hasnt won before, crashed out the last two

Im hoping for a Lewis win, his crash last year was the beginning of the end of his title tilt. His crash in 09 on the last lap was a shame too...

[andrew]

I dont understand...when I saw two DRS zones posted for Italy I was flabbergasted.

Me too. The wings are as skinny for Monza, I can't see how DRS will make any real difference. If anything, they don't need DRS at a very low downforce track like Monza.

DRS is not needed at the traditional tracks like Spa and Monza; it just goes to show that it must be [Tilke] track design that has caused the lack of overtaking, hence the need for DRS! The main straight at Monza is HUGE; if another car can't get a slipstream down there, there is no hope; DRS will make it look like a motorway overtake, which will ruin the spectacle for me.

I disagree about the Tilke tracks. Ok some of them are dull but they all have what is needed for overtaking - fast sections leading into areas of heavy braking. If anything prevents overtaking it's the cars being far to reliant of aero grip and the brakes being too efficient.

I agree with the DRS, it seems totally unnecessary at Monza.

[Bubbie]

The reason the cars can't overtake right now:

1 - Over-Reliance on downforce. Spa had tonnes of overtakes even without the DRS because the wings were set so small and more of the cornering relied on mechanical grip.
2 - The awesome braking systems. As was mentioned by DC and Brundle in commentary the brakes on the modern F1 cars are just awesome, they are starting their braking much later, which means less of a chance for a bonzai up the inside.
3 - The anemic engines. The V8s really don't have the low-end speed of the older engines.
4 - Runoff areas that are tarmac instead of gravel traps. This gives drivers the confidence to just run balls out the whole time. If they run wide then they have no problems rejoining. if it was gravel and it would end your day or make you take a long time rejoining it was more of a risk to go balls out. This is a double edged sword, as it also helps the overtaker... But I think it helps the overtake more since they can defend harder.
5 - A lot of the tracks just aren't suited to overtaking. Some are too narrow and some have the idea that you need a bunch of short runs followed by corners. As we see in Monza and Spa, Japan and Turkey, it is the long runs with high speeds and high speed corners as well that separate the men from the boys.

I cannot wait for Monza. Awesome track, always a good race. Hope to see Hamilton get a good result since he has been dashed here the last few years. I also want to see Mercedes do well. Come on boys. It would be great to see another Alonso win though, just because it is Italy and how riled up that gets the fans. It was awesome to watch the end of the last race. I think Redbull will do pretty good, if Spa is any indication they have finally figured out how to do high speed in the current car.

[vaptin]

Think a lot of this will depend on who gets out the best Monza areo-package. Obviously partially determined by which teams value Monza more.

I think last year for example Ferrari brought a Monza adapted F-duct whilst Redbull (not sure about McLaren) didn't.

Should be an exciting race nonetheless, Redbull might be still playing for the championship but I don't think anyone else is now.

[myownalias]

The reason the cars can't overtake right now:

1 - Over-Reliance on downforce. Spa had tonnes of overtakes even without the DRS because the wings were set so small and more of the cornering relied on mechanical grip.

That is true (didn't consider that); getting rid of diffusers should help the situation, limit the wing angle allowed, make the cars slippery, less turbulence off the rear...

2 - The awesome braking systems. As was mentioned by DC and Brundle in commentary the brakes on the modern F1 cars are just awesome, they are starting their braking much later, which means less of a chance for a bonzai up the inside.

Indeed, I have been saying that brake strength should be limited; making braking distances longer creating more opportunity to be brave on the brakes to overtake...

3 - The anemic engines. The V8s really don't have the low-end speed of the older engines.

Yes they have less torque at lower revs but it's the same for everyone, so it really makes no difference, maybe less wheelspin...

4 - Runoff areas that are tarmac instead of gravel traps. This gives drivers the confidence to just run balls out the whole time. If they run wide then they have no problems rejoining. if it was gravel and it would end your day or make you take a long time rejoining it was more of a risk to go balls out. This is a double edged sword, as it also helps the overtaker... But I think it helps the overtake more since they can defend harder.

I despise the tarmac run offs; I believe that a driver should be punished for going off track, sometimes more time can be gained by going off track, these are supposed to be the best drivers in the world; they should be able to avoid the run off areas, right now you can go off track and lose no time whatsoever...

5 - A lot of the tracks just aren't suited to overtaking. Some are too narrow and some have the idea that you need a bunch of short runs followed by corners. As we see in Monza and Spa, Japan and Turkey, it is the long runs with high speeds and high speed corners as well that separate the men from the boys.

Hang on... you're agreeing with me?!?!...

[GRHinPorts]

Not sure I agree with those saying Monza is a track that favours overtaking. With the double DRS it should mean we get some in this years race (although I take Andrews point about skinny wing set up at such a fast track) but ever since Ive been following F1 this is a circuit where the aero disruption of following the car in front combined with the ever shortening braking distances into some pretty tight chicanes has kept overtaking manouvres to an absolute minimum.