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#271722
Well what can I say? Another weekend of disasters for McLaren and RBR romp on with a one-two... not a dominant one, but a 1-2 all the same.

I was sorry to see Algersuari and Senna connect at Turn 1, I wanted the pair of them to do well.

Some great stuff by Mercedes, with Rosberg taking the lead at the start and Schumacher scrambling back up to 5th, but the car still lacks fundamental pace. Still best of the rest though.

Oh I just hold my hands up and despair at these accidents that Lewis gets himself into. There was no clear person at fault, it just came across to me as a racing incident, but once again it was Jenson picking up the pieces.

And WELL DONE TO JENSON after another stonking comeback. :clap:
#271762
Dear God! I'm finding myself having to agree with Eddie Jordan on the Hamilton incident. :yikes:


Yeah...he must've said something crappy about Hamilton then.


No, he called it a racing incident, I think.


That term gets passed around like a cheap whore! s*** even Maldanado and Lewis people used it when it was on an in lap...

What happened to the stewards investigating every incident this season? Bundle brought that bit of info to light a few races ago. Inconsistent stewarding yet again and as always Lewis draws the short straw because of it!


Different stewards for every single race so you're always going to get varying quality in stewarding.

But where was Koby meant to go? It's unreasonable to expect him to give up, he wouldn't be a racer if he did and he couldn't go on the grass. Koby's front right was level with Hamilton's rear left, Hamilton pulled over to the left and probably didn't see Koby. Just an unfortunate incident with too many things going on at the same time, but this is what happens in racing - s**t happens.


Yes different stewards for each race. Still they should be consistent. And how do you explain these anomolies?

Maldanado, let of lightly for a dangerous, unnecessary and probably deliberate move.(a bit like hitting someone in an opposing football team after the game has finnished-red card action)
Senna penalised for causeing a first corner collision
Glock not penalised for causeing a first corner collision.
Kobi not even investigated for running into the back of a driver that has just passed him :confused: All by the same stewards.
#271765
Maldanado, let of lightly for a dangerous, unnecessary and probably deliberate move.(a bit like hitting someone in an opposing football team after the game has finnished-red card action)


He was suitably punished. Look at the bigger picture. Did the collision harm Hamilton? Not really. New from wing and a bit of gaffer tape on the side pod and he still qualified 2nd.

Senna penalised for causeing a first corner collision


It was an avoidable collision. Seek and ye shall find. http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/bel-document-37.pdf

Glock not penalised for causeing a first corner collision.


No idea, didn't see it.

Kobi not even investigated for running into the back of a driver that has just passed him :confused: All by the same stewards.


He did not run into the back. Hamilton's left rear met Koby's right front. If anything, Hamilton pulled over probably thinking he was past Koby . Racing incident is all it was. Not the first time it's happened and it won't be the last.
#271766
Im pretty sure i heard and saw to confirm " No FURTHER investigation for koabasyhi and hamilton"

They obviously looked at it. jesus. they crashed at 100 miles per hour and sent out a safety car, id be worried if the didnt think it was anything out the norm!


More Hamiltons fault anyway, but i dont blame people for defending him, hard to call and the haters are having an absolute field day, think newton said some pretentious shyte about every force has an opposing force........


Hamilton fanboys are only there to counteract the wave of s*** flung by the far greater number of those who actually would throw parties should he die.


But yeah Hamiltons fault for me, did exactly what Vettel did in Turkey 2010, thought the overtake was done and got complacent.
#271768
Senna penalised for causeing a first corner collision


It was an avoidable collision. Seek and ye shall find. http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/bel-document-37.pdf


It WAS an avoidable collision, yes, but so was Glock's... But I'm sure the commentators mentioned something about Glock getting a penalty for it....
#271772
Racing incident in my opinion, no need for investigation. Thats just what happens when you are that close and someone mis-judges the other's turn in point. Similar in my opinion to Webber/Vettel in turkey 2010.
#271773
I'll be the first to mention Massa raced Alonso then? He lost though, the Ferraris did swap positions in the end, started 4th and 8th, finished 4th and 8th. Pity about the puncture, but Massa's race was kinda lost when he got stuck behind Rosberg.

Good stuff from Schumacher, driver of the day.

McLaren had real pace I think, and didn't seem to have problems with the tyres blistering, Jenson showed it by catching up, and Lewis might have won I think had he not retired.

Lewis didn't know Kobayashi was there, I think, and continued to follow the racing line (pulling into the furtherest left before turning in) , he thought he was past him already and didn't need to be cautious about where he positioned his car, Kobayashi came back at him and was pretty much alongside when they made contact.

Another Redbull 1-2, did well with this one strategy wise, another terrible start for Webber and cleanly done by Vettel.

Strong starts yet again from the Ferraris and Mercedes, but that isn't really worth much now days. unless you lose a load of time being held up, eventually the fastest car towards the end of the race will get past.
#271774
If that smash between Kobi and lewis was serious enough to merit deploying the safety car then it was serious enought to merit an enquiry..the result of which may well have been declared racing incident, but to not investigate...wrong! If Lewis so much as farts in the car there's an investigation and an ensuing punishment. mansell should not be allowed to sit on the stewards panel judging drivers when he has already made negative general comments about them. His views on Lewis are well known and he is not objective. Same goes for Lauda..what an idiot! If they cannot be objective :wavey: . What was with all the nationalistic rubbish Lauda was talking? 'You have Mansell on the stewards, he's British so Lewis should be ok?' Thats how he judges situations is it? You vote in favour of the driver who comes from your country? Great advertisment for the integrity of some ex-racing drivers. :thumbdown::thumbdown:
#271777
Hamilton says he is guilty! I just read it!


Whatwhatwhatwhat? (let's see who get's this cultural reference)

Where?

EDIT: Just found it here.

Hamilton agreed with Kobayashi's assessment after reviewing the incident.

"After watching the replay, I realise it was my fault today 100 per cent," said Hamilton via his Twitter feed. "I didn't give Kobayashi enough room though, I thought I was past."


Ah well, that settles that. :D
#271778
I'll be the first to mention Massa raced Alonso then? He lost though, the Ferraris did swap positions in the end, started 4th and 8th, finished 4th and 8th. Pity about the puncture, but Massa's race was kinda lost when he got stuck behind Rosberg.


:hehe: Once again an irrelevant incident appears to dominate the discussion of what was an interesting race... :yawn: My 2 cents is that Ferrari gifted Vettel victory today when it was there for the taking. For them not to use all 3 of Alonso's new sets was odd, i honestly thought during the race that they'd have put him on softs again and just run the hards at the last minute (like with Massa in Germany) and given themselves half a chance, rather than using the tyres which were always going to elimate their chance. On that note i have literally no idea what they were trying to achieve with their strategy (and why they didn't pit during the SC) given how Red Bull were destroying their tyres. Perhaps they were covering Webber, but that wouldn't make much sense either.

Gotta say, in the opening laps there was some immense close racing going on in the group containing the Ferraris, Hamilton and so on, it was like watching touring cars at times.
#271780
Hamilton agreed with Kobayashi's assessment after reviewing the incident.

"After watching the replay, I realise it was my fault today 100 per cent," said Hamilton via his Twitter feed. "I didn't give Kobayashi enough room though, I thought I was past."


Ah well, that settles that. :D


Must be a fake Hamilton would never admit he was at fault it has to be someone elses fault remember? f1ea back me up here will ya!
#271782
I thought it was an exciting race. Pity Alonso couldn't finish higher up the order. But I think it was basically that the car wasn't fast enough throughout the race, there was no bad luck or circumstances outside his control. Massa fought well for much of the race, though he looked a bit lackluster temporarily when Rosberg passed him and he didn't fight back. But, then he was a real racer coming back through the field after his puncture.

Hamilton and Kobayashi were a racing incident, pure and simple. If Hamilton is going to be bumping into people regularly, then he's going to come off worse at least some of the time. We had quite a few exciting "around the outside" passes in the race where the drivers had to trust the other driver to leave them room. Kobayashi really gave it a go, but Hamilton didn't notice he was there. Result: tears.

Vettel drove well, and deserved his win. I noticed quite a few impressive and brave Vettel passes, which should answer those who claim that he can only win from the front.

Button drove a very good race, and very much deserves his podium from 13th place.

Senna: great qualifying, shame about the race.
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