- 21 Aug 11, 12:46#270863
The rule of law still seems to be emphasised, just that people have changing view points on what ought to be illegal. No need to call total freedom on it. It isn't total freedom.
Generally liberal opinions are dominant, sure, but if you can make a good argument for non liberal opinions go ahead. I guess that is what your aiming for here.
Kids assaulting teachers, show me it isn't isolated and that it is being condoned by society.
Teenage pregnancy is generally the highest in Sub Sarah Africa I believe, rather than the west. Also think rates are quite low in France, a country with a liberal attitude towards umpalumpa, and highest in the developed world for the USA where they seem pretty socially conservative (look at attitudes towards abortion, homosexuality and religious uptake).
Look up crime statistics for Russia, I'd rather stay in the UK.
Also you keep arguing that people can't be trusted, in that case why the hell would one trust a government? Strong states it seems, almost always move to abusing their positions.
Don't blame the E.U, the human rights act tends not to say what people think or claim it says it does. It's a pretty damn reasonable piece of legislation.
Total freedom is anarchy, but I don't think anyone mentioned total freedom.
I don't see how oppressive governments help mankind progress, the rule of law is clearly necessary but stifling freedom just leads to a lot of abuse, and stifles a lot of stuff.
You say they have their citizens under control, their hardly safe havens. Crimes and oppression by the state can be just as bad as crimes by mobs.
Acutally your right in that respect, its not solely the EU, its World Legislation in general...
Im mentioning total freedom Vaptin becaues thats what every western country moves towards, all of them, think back a hundred years, hung for being homosexual, women cant vote, war letters/diaries censored.
Now everyone is allowed an opinion, as long as that opinion sings the doctrinal tune of liberalism, you cant say jack s*it about anything to do with current affair issues froma certain point of view because your racist, and those with power, the media, will also say the same.
You have kids assaulting teahchers, and when teachers handle them out the classroom for the safety of all, the teacher gets a criminal record, loses his job, loses thousands in court cases and the pupil is let back into school for being the victim. This is all a results of modern society, these arent isolated incidents.
Why is it western teens that get pregant and have kids at about 8, im talking America France and Britain, why> cause they are THE three most liberal nations in the world entire, and they let everyone do what they want. Humans cant control themselves. Everyone disses religion as ancient folklore but those who stick by it nowadays stick out like a sore thumb because they are the only ones with decent morals. Even us on this forum, wwe all have our skeletons we wont discuss but we have traits as a result of stupid liberal ideas.
Ill ask you now whether you want to continue this, cause i cant see my fingers coping with the amount of words i could write on this subject, and unfortunately subjects like these need long words said.
Its really not that hard to fathom, the evidence is for all to see. You let people do more and more what they want, the worse society becomes.
Countries like Russia China and so on only have these mobs and crime syndicates because of the remnants of strict communism that was corrupt, but even they get things done.
The rule of law still seems to be emphasised, just that people have changing view points on what ought to be illegal. No need to call total freedom on it. It isn't total freedom.
Generally liberal opinions are dominant, sure, but if you can make a good argument for non liberal opinions go ahead. I guess that is what your aiming for here.
Kids assaulting teachers, show me it isn't isolated and that it is being condoned by society.
Teenage pregnancy is generally the highest in Sub Sarah Africa I believe, rather than the west. Also think rates are quite low in France, a country with a liberal attitude towards umpalumpa, and highest in the developed world for the USA where they seem pretty socially conservative (look at attitudes towards abortion, homosexuality and religious uptake).
Look up crime statistics for Russia, I'd rather stay in the UK.
Also you keep arguing that people can't be trusted, in that case why the hell would one trust a government? Strong states it seems, almost always move to abusing their positions.