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Beating Michael Schumacher in his Ferrari is no small feat.
Saying he onyl won cause of Michaels retirement, is classless, bias and stupid im affraid Hammer. You dont say things like that full stop let alone the fact Alonso retired too throughout the year, do you want to play the if but game?
He also managed to outperform Lewis Hamilton in 2010 despite having a less to equal car, thats a fact whether we like it or not. He also managed to lose a title in that car because of unforseen strategyfails in the last race.
Beating Michael Schumacher in his Ferrari is no small feat.
Saying he onyl won cause of Michaels retirement, is classless, bias and stupid im affraid Hammer. You dont say things like that full stop let alone the fact Alonso retired too throughout the year, do you want to play the if but game?
He also managed to outperform Lewis Hamilton in 2010 despite having a less to equal car, thats a fact whether we like it or not. He also managed to lose a title in that car because of unforseen strategyfails in the last race.
Erm. You can't have it both ways. Much in the same way that he won the title in 2006 over the course of the whole season, he 'lost' the 2010 title over the course of a season.
Beating Michael Schumacher in his Ferrari is no small feat.
Saying he onyl won cause of Michaels retirement, is classless, bias and stupid im affraid Hammer. You dont say things like that full stop let alone the fact Alonso retired too throughout the year, do you want to play the if but game?
He also managed to outperform Lewis Hamilton in 2010 despite having a less to equal car, thats a fact whether we like it or not. He also managed to lose a title in that car because of unforseen strategyfails in the last race.
All of the above is not to mention he finished with the same points, whether behind on countbback or not, as Lewis in probably Lewis' best F1 year to date.
If Alonso is more overrated then Vettel then pigs fly.
Alonso is the best driver in F1. As a Lewis fan. Lewis is far too crash prone to have that title.
Well I could just retort by saying your opinions suck, Fraffy. But that would just degenerate this thread. Saying my opinion is classless an stupid isn't going to really elevate positive feelings here. Since that is simply your opinion of my opinion, which is entirely subjective...and yes, doesn't really matter at all.
Like I said, I'm not playing the what if game...but we all watch the sport for a reason. To see different drivers/driving styles and to pick our favourites. If we're just going by numbers, take a look at the statistics on the net and don't bother switching on your tele.
From my own perspective (which is highly intelligent in my opinion, though classless and stupid in yours
I don't rate Alonso as high as many do today. Simply from years I've seen him drive, he's a fantastic driver no doubt, cream of the crop and all that but never the best driver out there.
I like seeing the best drivers get their share of success simply because they deserve it. Kimi, for example had more raw talent than Alonso but he didn't get his fair share...1x WDC is poor for his standards I believe. The same way I think 2x WDCs might be worthy for Alonso but the number of WDCs is not complete proof of a drivers calibre. Michael 2 times better than Senna anyone?
And you being a so called 'Lewis fan' and stating positive opinions of other drivers does not make your opinion any more valid than mine. Sorry, but thats the truth. I can say Lewis is crap and Narain Karthikeyan is definitely better (but hold on, Im a LEWIS FAN!)...my opinion is still crap because everyone can base the facts using their own judgement.
To conclude, I think Alonso is a top 3 driver but thats it. And another thing, I can't stand the guy but that's my problem. I don't enjoy seeing him win races, and I enjoy seeing him lose races - again, my problem. I continue cheering for whom I believe is the best, and look forward to drivers I dislike failing to win races. That's the hard truth, and many of you here are the same even though you'd never admit it, yes including YOU Fraffy!
Girls, girls... You're both pretty, no need to argue. How did "That's Vettel" get turned into a Hamilton versus Alonso thread?
Maybe you're just the evil queen...
Maybe you're just the evil queen...
So we have an evil queen and a forum queen.......
Someone work out a joke for this.
You're banned!
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
Maybe you're just the evil queen...
So we have an evil queen and a forum queen.......
Someone work out a joke for this.
To put these in one sentence next to each other is considered a felony in my queendom.
You asked for it
Maybe you're just the evil queen...
So we have an evil queen and a forum queen.......
Someone work out a joke for this.
To put these in one sentence next to each other is considered a felony in my queendom.
You asked for it
Is FRAFPDD allowed to be a princess then seeing as we are only allowed one queen?
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. Well I could just retort by saying your opinions suck, Fraffy. But that would just degenerate this thread. Saying my opinion is classless an stupid isn't going to really elevate positive feelings here. Since that is simply your opinion of my opinion, which is entirely subjective...and yes, doesn't really matter at all.
Well if you truly think it id rather you did, rather then beat around the bush, im man enough to take it on the chin.Like I said, I'm not playing the what if game...but we all watch the sport for a reason. To see different drivers/driving styles and to pick our favourites. If we're just going by numbers, take a look at the statistics on the net and don't bother switching on your tele.
We didnt JUST go by numbers, i didnt solely use statistics to prove my point? I used general opinion as well as context too.From my own perspective (which is highly intelligent in my opinion, though classless and stupid in yours
Only what you said previously did i find classless and stupid and even then that was a bit harsh from myself, not everything you say.I don't rate Alonso as high as many do today. Simply from years I've seen him drive, he's a fantastic driver no doubt, cream of the crop and all that but never the best driver out there.
Well then you really should explain that you only think hes overrated in the seonse of not being the best out there, you didnt say any of that, you just made excuses for his titles, called him overrated for good measure and just plain attacked him, adding to the fact you dont like him, its hard to take it seriously.I like seeing the best drivers get their share of success simply because they deserve it. Kimi, for example had more raw talent than Alonso but he didn't get his fair share...1x WDC is poor for his standards I believe. The same way I think 2x WDCs might be worthy for Alonso but the number of WDCs is not complete proof of a drivers calibre. Michael 2 times better than Senna anyone?
Nobody said it was complete proof, but it always goes on record and most people judge drivers from the past on their titles, hill was good but piquet was better for example. I dont like that Vettel will soon have as many as a driver i think is twice as talented (Alonso) and more then a driver i think is even more talented (Hamilton) Ive already said my piece on that including how no driver doesnt deserve titles, they all do if they win it at the end of the year, car dominant or not, but its a shame to me that other drivers much better didnt get that chance.And you being a so called 'Lewis fan' and stating positive opinions of other drivers does not make your opinion any more valid than mine. Sorry, but thats the truth. I can say Lewis is crap and Narain Karthikeyan is definitely better (but hold on, Im a LEWIS FAN!)...my opinion is still crap because everyone can base the facts using their own judgement.
Dont be a slanderous fool, i never said it was,, but people are more likely to have an opinion worth listening too when their judging with no affiliation or bias. The mere fact you say " as so called lewis fan" quite often in regards to my opinions is in hilariously dramatic irony, exactly the reason why i like to point out where my loyalties lie when im posting, because its not the norm to say things like i say about my own drivers on here, because fans are usually fanboys. You often dont like how im like a PR disaster in the war between the Vettels and the Hamiltons on here with my public traitoring of the Hamilton fanbase, its called not being bias and having a level head on things. Hes not perfect and i dont mind saying it. Im probably more of a Hamilton fan then half that call themselves such.To conclude, I think Alonso is a top 3 driver but thats it. And another thing, I can't stand the guy but that's my problem. I don't enjoy seeing him win races, and I enjoy seeing him lose races - again, my problem. I continue cheering for whom I believe is the best, and look forward to drivers I dislike failing to win races. That's the hard truth, and many of you here are the same even though you'd never admit it, yes including YOU Fraffy!
Ill have to sue you if you keep putting words in my mouth.
There was a thread months back where it got onto " ooh no im a respectful F1 fan and i like seeing all drivers finish the race" TOTAL B*LLSHIT.
There is not a single, single fan that does have a favourite or non favourite, basically anyting other then totally neutral that doesnt enjoy seeing rivals they either dont like or are challenginf their favourite falling off the circuit or crashing, theres no such things, anyone that tels you otherwise is Pinnochio on steroids. Liars. When Vettel spun off in Canada and Germany, infact he went off in Hungary too its better then anything else because it stops him getting such a lead, if Hamilton crashes i feel like breaking the TV.
Thats exactly what i said in this thread months back, so telling me i wont admit it actually gets me worked up with the hypocrisy and ridiculousness. Im practically one of about.....one that can admit things like that on here.
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