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[Fred_C_Dobbs]

In 2009, Button's lead at this juncture in the season was such that if Vettel had won the eight final races, JB still could have held on to his WDC lead provided he averaged scoring 7.5 points per event for the same eight races (in a season where coming second paid 8 points).

This season, if Webber were to win the remaining eight races, Vettel will manage to hold on to his lead if he can average scoring 14.5 points per race (in a season when coming third pays 15 points).

But of course Vettel didn't win the final eight races of 2009, and it's highly unlikely Webber or any other one individual will win all eight remaining 2011 races. Which makes it all the likelier that Vettel's lead will endure.

Or does it?

So long as we're playing at statistics, RBR have had five DNFs in each of the two preceding seasons. Vettel had three in both 2010 and 2009 and Webber had two. And neither of them has had even a single DNF thus far this season. More to the point, both have been in the points in every race and Vettel only has finished off the podium on one occasion.

With only eight races remaining, it seems unlikely Vettel might maintain his pre-season average DNF rate but it seems even less likely that he would finish all 19 races. Unlikelier still that he should finish all 19 with a points-paying result.

No one's bucket of luck is bottomless, and even his has to run dry eventually. And just two pointless finishes would put an entirely new complexion on the season.

[racechick]

i think a severe injury is required to stop Vettel winning as things stand...and i wouldnt wish that on anyone. So bye bye youngest double world championm Alonso, and hello sebastian

[Hammer278]

i think a severe injury is required to stop Vettel winning as things stand...and i wouldnt wish that on anyone. So bye bye youngest double world championm Alonso, and hello sebastian

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Red Bull's perfect-thus-far season has not escaped the attention of Auto Motor und Sport. Not unexpectedly -- in light of Vettel's nationality and the "und" in the name of their magazine -- they focus on the implications of a DNF-less season and ignore the possibility that the racing gods might simply have saved up all RBR's share of the hail and brimstone for the eight final races.

Also interesting, Force India have remained on circuit for a second-best 96% of all laps. Ferrari are third, and Macca and TR tied for fourth. Then come, in order, Renault, Sauber, Mercedes and Virgin.

What, no HRT??

[FRAFPDD]

i think a severe injury is required to stop Vettel winning as things stand...and i wouldnt wish that on anyone. So bye bye youngest double world championm Alonso, and hello sebastian

Do you both really hate Alonso that much, that youd rather a general consensus backed opinion of mine that he is far superior to Alonso, see Vettel take the title off him?

Id be lying if i said i didnt like alonso but..... etc, i do like him, infact since silverstone ive kind of supported him, he really isnt a bad person and even less so of a driver, if Mclaren had done Lewis over in say 2015 when hes just won two titles for a rookie thats quite good, youd be livid aswell.

Its a total disgrace if you ask me that someone like Sebastian Vettel should have more titles then drivers like Mansell, Hamilton, Gilles Villeneuve, Raikonen etc

and have as many as Fittipaldi, Hakkinnen, Alonso.

To me that is a total slap in the face, hes a good driver but there have been and are currently (kobayashi , alonso, hamilton, schumacher, kubica, ) that are five times more fitting for all these records and accolades from youngest ever, to double wdc....

That said theres no such thing as an undeserved title, when Vettel wins Vettel wins, and ill be the first to congratulate him rather then make excuses, but im very eagerly anticipating seeing his show his worth when not everything goes right, and so far, EVERYTHING in his career has.

[bud]

The fact you rate Koby higher than Vettel breaks your entire argument.

Heaven forbid Vettel from winning because some guy on the Internet says he isn't worthy...

[FRAFPDD]

The fact you rate Koby higher than Vettel breaks your entire argument.

Heaven forbid Vettel from winning because some guy on the Internet says he isn't worthy...

"That said theres no such thing as an undeserved title, when Vettel wins Vettel wins, and ill be the first to congratulate him rather then make excuses"

What part of that is me saying he isnt worthy? the bit where i say theres no such thing as an underserved title?

Christ i know its history is convict based but do they not teach you how to read in Australia?

Not to mention Kobyashi is in there as a joke, hence the smiley, you obviously are ill-sighted too. Kobayashi is nowhere near as proven as Vettel. However much more i may like him.


Your lust for an argument far outweighs your logic.

[racechick]

i think a severe injury is required to stop Vettel winning as things stand...and i wouldnt wish that on anyone. So bye bye youngest double world championm Alonso, and hello sebastian

Do you both really hate Alonso that much

Nothing to do with my like or dislike of Alonso, simply stating the most likely scenario.

[andrew]

i think a severe injury is required to stop Vettel winning as things stand...and i wouldnt wish that on anyone. So bye bye youngest double world championm Alonso, and hello sebastian

Do you both really hate Alonso that much

Nothing to do with my like or dislike of Alonso, simply stating the most likely scenario.

I'm happy for Alonso's record of youngest double world champion to go. It resided with Schumacher, then it spent some dark times with Alonso, but hallelujah praise be the record has seen the light and will be owned by Vettel before the year is out.

There is one record that Alonso will always have.......

[FRAFPDD]

i think a severe injury is required to stop Vettel winning as things stand...and i wouldnt wish that on anyone. So bye bye youngest double world championm Alonso, and hello sebastian

Do you both really hate Alonso that much

Nothing to do with my like or dislike of Alonso, simply stating the most likely scenario.

I'm happy for Alonso's record of youngest double world champion to go. It resided with Schumacher, then it spent some dark times with Alonso, but hallelujah praise be the record has seen the light and will be owned by Vettel before the year is out.

There is one record that Alonso will always have.......

Most hand gestures per season?

funniest pronounciation of "chicanes"?

[andrew]

Most hand gestures per season?

funniest pronounciation of "chicanes"?

Those too but there is one that is far more notorious.

[FRAFPDD]

Most hand gestures per season?

funniest pronounciation of "chicanes"?

Those too but there is one that is far more notorious.

Something to do with a certain 3 times WDC's son?

[andrew]

To an extent. I was just thinking of the number of gates that Alonso has been strangely involved in but amazingly never seems to know anything about them.

[darwin dali]

Red Bull's perfect-thus-far season has not escaped the attention of Auto Motor und Sport. Not unexpectedly -- in light of Vettel's nationality and the "und" in the name of their magazine -- they focus on the implications of a DNF-less season and ignore the possibility that the racing gods might simply have saved up all RBR's share of the hail and brimstone for the eight final races.

Also interesting, Force India have remained on circuit for a second-best 96% of all laps. Ferrari are third, and Macca and TR tied for fourth. Then come, in order, Renault, Sauber, Mercedes and Virgin.

What, no HRT??

HRT is second to last with 79.5% of laps completed (Lotus is last with 77.3%). However, HRT only have 20 starts as opposed to 22 for most everybody else.
What is a bit curious is the following: Sauber supposedly has 23 starts with 21 arrivals (after they got disqualified for their wings). 23 starts???

[Hammer278]

i think a severe injury is required to stop Vettel winning as things stand...and i wouldnt wish that on anyone. So bye bye youngest double world championm Alonso, and hello sebastian

Do you both really hate Alonso that much, that youd rather a general consensus backed opinion of mine that he is far superior to Alonso, see Vettel take the title off him?

Id be lying if i said i didnt like alonso but..... etc, i do like him, infact since silverstone ive kind of supported him, he really isnt a bad person and even less so of a driver, if Mclaren had done Lewis over in say 2015 when hes just won two titles for a rookie thats quite good, youd be livid aswell.

Its a total disgrace if you ask me that someone like Sebastian Vettel should have more titles then drivers like Mansell, Hamilton, Gilles Villeneuve, Raikonen etc

and have as many as Fittipaldi, Hakkinnen, Alonso.

To me that is a total slap in the face, hes a good driver but there have been and are currently (kobayashi , alonso, hamilton, schumacher, kubica, ) that are five times more fitting for all these records and accolades from youngest ever, to double wdc....

That said theres no such thing as an undeserved title, when Vettel wins Vettel wins, and ill be the first to congratulate him rather then make excuses, but im very eagerly anticipating seeing his show his worth when not everything goes right, and so far, EVERYTHING in his career has.

Well I dislike him, yes..and I also believe he is vastly overrated. He is definitely WDC material but the way people hype him up is insane. If you look at how his Championships were won, individually...nothing special about them.

2005 - Who was competition? A McLaren which came to life after 5 races in the season, and kept breaking down every 2 or 3 races?

2006 - Michael's WDC until the one mechanical failure he couldn't afford, which was another gift to Alonso.

Alonso is a worthy Champ, I'm not saying he isn't but the manner in which he won them is not as impressive as how Vettel won it last year for example. Vettel did chicken up a couple of times, but he came from behind with all the pressure and won it at the last instant. Takes a lot more rather than cruise and collect after having a big gap for example. As such, I believe Button's WDC is the cheapest in history considering the material he had to win it. Can you imagine Button being a WDC again when he has competitors in equal machinery like Lewis, Vettel, Alonso?

I'm not saying Alonso or Vettel is better, but Alonso is really hyped up. Plus the fact his attitude is a stinker and like andrew says....he's involved everywhere but simply not 'aware' of any bad deeds going on around him yeah right.