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[Mikep99]

F1 was flourishing very well in the twenty year lull of Ferrari success from the 80s and 90s demure!

Your right bud and in that time Ferrari were still the number one supported team.
Ferrari bleed racing, even in those lean years they were just as passionate about it as ever & never gave up, they kept plugging away.
Drivers still wanted to drive for Enzo. As Giles said "it drove like a truck but I would be happy to drive it all day"

Sorry mate but your opinion on this does not change the facts.

One single team is not bigger than the sport, and neither is any single driver.

F1tastic I agree with you that no one team or driver is bigger than the sport itself.
But there are some drivers & teams the WILL be MISSED more than others if they were not around E.g. - FERRARI E.g. SENNA (Giles for me)

Again sorry but it is fact.

[McLaren Fan]

Nobody's disputing that. Ferrari have history and passion, yes. Ferrari will be missed, yes. The thing I and others are slightly annoyed about is this Tifosi attitude that those qualities don't apply to other teams.

[texasmr2]

The thing I and others are slightly annoyed about is this Tifosi attitude that those qualities don't apply to other teams.

Not all the Tifosi brother .

[Mikep99]

Nobody's disputing that. Ferrari have history and passion, yes. Ferrari will be missed, yes. The thing I and others are slightly annoyed about is this Tifosi attitude that those qualities don't apply to other teams.

It's not me mate McLaren DO have history and passion & anyone who say's they don't is ignorant or is just pulling your chain (you do get excited easily, its the passion you have for your team I suppose)

But what I will say is that they or no other team has as much of both as Ferrari do.
Sorry mate its FACT.

[McLaren Fan]

But what I will say is that they or no other team has as much of both as Ferrari do.
Sorry mate its FACT.

Ferrari have a certain charm that other teams maybe don't: the Italian character automatically gives Ferrari something and being the oldest team is a nice honour to have, but all that's not to say other teams are inferior.

McLaren have a certain aura or class about them that Ferrari and others lack; for instance, the Indy 500, Cam-Am racing, a road car division (admittedly smaller than Ferrari's), the legend who is Bruce McLaren, Britain being recognised as the home of motorsport, and Ron Dennis' desire for perfection to name some. For instance, what other team sends an advanced party a circuit to repaint their pit garages etc.?

A similar situation existed with Lotus: an English eccentric and idiosyncratic character, Jim Clark, some stunning advances in car design from Colin Chapman, and a road car division (again, smaller than Ferrari's).

I suppose what I'm saying is two things: Ferrari have class, passion, history etc., but those qualities aren't just exclusive to Ferrari and, indeed, Ferrari may lack things other teams have. There have been a lot of great marques in the sport and I just feel some sections of the Ferrari support don't give them the credit and respect they deserve.

[nikon133]

When you're the boss you're always upsetting somebody.

In a business you look after your number one customer.

Formula One is a business, Ferrari is the FIA's number one customer. Without Ferrari Formula One would be finished.

Without McLaren, formula one would survive.

It's that simple.

Stop crying, I know it's upsetting McLaren haven't won anything since 1999 but get over it, if your team doesn't win you don't blame the establishment you endure the lean period and hope for the best next season...

I'm sure that F1 would survive without Ferrari as it is my belief that the drivers not the teams are the main attraction. Ferrari only became what it was thanks to shumi. I expect the same for LH

Goto most races and the Ferrari fans add up to all the other teams put together, sometimes more. If Ferrari left F1 sure F1 would survive but it would lose it'a ppeal by more then half. Sponsors would leave, television networks would no longer pay a premium and the fans will follow them to whatever series they decided to move to.

Remember when Ferrari threatened to leave F1 and goto America? The pitlane poo'd itself, it's in everyone's best interest that Ferrari stay in F1 and are kept happy.

Can't disagree more. Truth is that Ferrari at present has more fans than other (individual) F1 teams... but that is because of MS and their long domination. If you go back, say, 10 years ago when McLaren and Williams were regulary fighting for titles, no way Ferrari had that many fans at the time of their averagenes. And no way Ferrari had more fans than McLaren at the time of Senna.

Fact is, winners are attracting fans. I know a lot of people who have changed their affiliations during the time, and just a handful of hard core ones. Many F1 followers actually do follow drivers rather than teams.

[Mikep99]

But what I will say is that they or no other team has as much of both as Ferrari do.
Sorry mate its FACT.

Ferrari have a certain charm that other teams maybe don't: the Italian character automatically gives Ferrari something and being the oldest team is a nice honour to have, but all that's not to say other teams are inferior.

McLaren have a certain aura or class about them that Ferrari and others lack; for instance, the Indy 500, Cam-Am racing, a road car division (admittedly smaller than Ferrari's), the legend who is Bruce McLaren, Britain being recognised as the home of motorsport, and Ron Dennis' desire for perfection to name some. For instance, what other team sends an advanced party a circuit to repaint their pit garages etc.?

A similar situation existed with Lotus: an English eccentric and idiosyncratic character, Jim Clark, some stunning advances in car design from Colin Chapman, and a road car division (again, smaller than Ferrari's).

I suppose what I'm saying is two things: Ferrari have class, passion, history etc., but those qualities aren't just exclusive to Ferrari and, indeed, Ferrari may lack things other teams have. There have been a lot of great marques in the sport and I just feel some sections of the Ferrari support don't give them the credit and respect they deserve.

Yes I agree, now we understand where each of us is coming from.
Ferrari or just about anything Italian cannot be said to be organised or that it runs like a clock. This is where the passion thing comes in, it place havoc with the thinking process.
McLaren on the other hand are much more organised & you could probably say professional especially with the German component.

But please don't be delusional to think all the debacle that is 2007 is Ferrari’s fault.

[Mikep99]

Can't disagree more. Truth is that Ferrari at present has more fans than other (individual) F1 teams... but that is because of MS and their long domination. If you go back, say, 10 years ago when McLaren and Williams were regulary fighting for titles, no way Ferrari had that many fans at the time of their averagenes. And no way Ferrari had more fans than McLaren at the time of Senna.

Fact is, winners are attracting fans. I know a lot of people who have changed their affiliations during the time, and just a handful of hard core ones. Many F1 followers actually do follow drivers rather than teams.

Sorry nikon133 from what I saw followining the sport in the Ferrari dark age they were still the most followed team.

[texasmr2]

I'm gonna have to agree with that but my following only goes back 24yr's so I cant voice an opinion from personal experience pre-'84. I agree that other team's have just as much passion and support but there is no other team on the current grid that has the history Ferrari has.

[bud]

in the Ferrari dark age as you put it did you even attend the Australian grand prix? Are you only basing your assesment on watching Monza?

from my memory the only people who followed Ferrari back then were the Italians. compared to today where you have the average bandwagon jumper jo with ferrari gear on.

McLaren-Honda and Senna were huge in Japan

[Mikep99]

in the Ferrari dark age as you put it did you even attend the Australian grand prix? Are you only basing your assesment on watching Monza?

from my memory the only people who followed Ferrari back then were the Italians. compared to today where you have the average bandwagon jumper jo with ferrari gear on.

McLaren-Honda and Senna were huge in Japan

Yes bud I was their.
Boy there were a lot of wogs at the race then from what I remember.
You must also realize that the average Aussy knew or cared squat about F1 back then, just as it was with soccer just before the world cup.
There is a reason for “the average bandwagon jumper jo with ferrari gear onâ€

[deMuRe]

in the Ferrari dark age as you put it did you even attend the Australian grand prix? Are you only basing your assesment on watching Monza?

from my memory the only people who followed Ferrari back then were the Italians. compared to today where you have the average bandwagon jumper jo with ferrari gear on.

McLaren-Honda and Senna were huge in Japan

Of course they were, Senna was Honda's darling, he knew information before Ron Dennis did on engine updates...

OK, UK and Japan, anywhere else McLaren were huge?

[bud]

OK, UK and Japan, anywhere else McLaren were huge?

Brazil comes to mind when Senna was king

but who gives a s***, i prefer to go for the underdog anyway its the Aussie way! bandwagon jumpers on teams when they are successful disgust me

[quote="Mikep99"]
There is a reason for “the average bandwagon jumper jo with ferrari gear onâ€

[deMuRe]

OK, UK and Japan, anywhere else McLaren were huge?

Brazil comes to mind when Senna was king

but who gives a s***, i prefer to go for the underdog anyway its the Aussie way! bandwagon jumpers on teams when they are successful disgust me

[quote="Mikep99"]
There is a reason for “the average bandwagon jumper jo with ferrari gear onâ€

[McLaren Fan]

I'm gonna have to agree with that but my following only goes back 24yr's so I cant voice an opinion from personal experience pre-'84. I agree that other team's have just as much passion and support but there is no other team on the current grid that has the history Ferrari has.

I manage to get M99 to understand me, but not you! See my previous post.

Whoever has the most fans does go on who is winning. It applies to all sports, not just Forumla One. Also, in Formula One, the driver is a big component in a team attracting support. When Senna was driving for McLaren when McLaren were winning, McLaren commanded a huge support. Likewise, with Schumacher at Ferrari and the team's success, they commanded (and still do as a result) the most support in Formula One. It's a case of swingabouts and roundabouts.