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By hamilton08
#268634
Would anyone mind linking me to the Blog of the bbc person that has over 5k comments I would like to add my comment to it :)
By F1IsInMyBlood
#268640
Just seen an interesting comment on James Allen site, think it needs investigating.

Apparently Bernie Ecclestone has been quoted several times saying "It wasn't my decision"

FOM accepted the proviso for Channel 4 bid, but C4 could not start till 2013 and the BBC wanted out now. FOTA (Adam Parr in particular) wanted more money and so FOTA put the BBC and SKY together.

So if true, it seems FOTA are more to blame than anyone and those idiots at that once great team Williams


scroll to near the end of the comments:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/07/n ... bc-emerge/
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By johp778
#268641
Hi All

There are several F1 petitions out there, I am trying to get them altogether to get 1 massive petition, here is a petiton that I would like to ask you all to sign and again pass it on, We may end up signing several different petitons for the same thing, but we need to do it

http://www.petitiononline.co.uk/petitio ... -2010/3290

Thank You for your support
By andrew
#268642
Just seen an interesting comment on James Allen site, think it needs investigating.

Apparently Bernie Ecclestone has been quoted several times saying "It wasn't my decision"

FOM accepted the proviso for Channel 4 bid, but C4 could not start till 2013 and the BBC wanted out now. FOTA (Adam Parr in particular) wanted more money and so FOTA put the BBC and SKY together.

So if true, it seems FOTA are more to blame than anyone and those idiots at that once great team Williams


FOTA put the BBC and Sky together? Interesting. I wonder if Gallop's past links to Sky helped?

Either way it looks like MrE was forced into a corner by FOTA using the BBC and Sky.
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By f1usa
#268649
I hate Bernie!! The little money grabbing midget!! Whose gonna pay £48 a race.

How would this work. Put a satelite dish on your house, point it at a foreign station(France or Germany). then listen to the 5 live commentary.. What do you think? is it possible? I know it wont be as good as BBC but it would be live and it would save paying sky anything.


racechick, will a Slingbox work SKY broadcasts of F1 races in the UK. Split the cost of Slingbox with a friend and they set you up a guest account. That's how I'm watching race tomorrow, it's legal and you will not have to pay Bernie and Rupert.
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By Denthúl
#268650
Wouldn't surprise me if Parr was the major force behind such a push, if that is indeed what happened, given how he's spent the past few years ruining the team he runs.
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By racechick
#268657
I hate Bernie!! The little money grabbing midget!! Whose gonna pay £48 a race.

How would this work. Put a satelite dish on your house, point it at a foreign station(France or Germany). then listen to the 5 live commentary.. What do you think? is it possible? I know it wont be as good as BBC but it would be live and it would save paying sky anything.


racechick, will a Slingbox work SKY broadcasts of F1 races in the UK. Split the cost of Slingbox with a friend and they set you up a guest account. That's how I'm watching race tomorrow, it's legal and you will not have to pay Bernie and Rupert.


Im not sure what one of those is but I'll investigate it. And I wont have to pay bernie or Murdoch?...... :) me likes! Thanks for the tip.
By F1IsInMyBlood
#268669
ESPN article:

Faced with a freeze on the license fee, the BBC has been forced to make cuts and it was suggested that nothing was too sacred to be dropped even its coverage of the prestigious Wimbledon tennis tournament. Despite its high viewing figures, it wasn't tough for the BBC to conclude that F1 had to be cut in some way in order to save its crown jewel of Wimbledon.

This created a dilemma for Ecclestone who said last month that "I will do my best to keep F1 on the BBC." He added that "the BBC have done a great job for us and we like their shows and the people obviously like it because so many are watching." It left the BBC with a decision: either break its contract by dropping F1 completely, a move which would have saddled it with a huge financial penalty, or find some way of reducing its annual fee. The most logical way of reducing its fee is to reduce the amount of coverage it gets and this is exactly what it did.

It wasn't that simple though. Reducing its coverage by half required finding a partner to broadcast the other 50% of races. There is good reason why the BBC turned to BSkyB.

Bernie Ecclestone: "The BBC brought Sky to us with the idea of a joint contract"

Both ITV and Channel 4 were in negotiations with Ecclestone about taking over the F1 rights and the F1 boss said that, if necessary, he would have asked Channel 5 if it wanted to make a bid. However, all of these stations are direct terrestrial rivals to the BBC whereas BSkyB is the main player in the pay-per-view arena. It explains why, according to Ecclestone, "the BBC brought Sky to us with the idea of a joint contract." Likewise, when asked whether he felt it was a shame that a terrestrial broadcaster would no longer be showing every race live he said "it was not us who made that decision."

Nevertheless, it certainly hasn't left Ecclestone out of pocket with F1 getting around £15m from the BBC under the new deal, which runs until 2018, with BSkyB paying an estimated £25m. Its premium is thought to be due to the fact that switching to pay-per-view could reduce F1's viewing figures and in turn dent the teams' sponsorship revenues which depend on wide exposure.


Full article here:
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/55698.html
By Amanda
#268679
Ok. Guys in Germany. Do you know if RTL will still have it next year?? Or is sky scuppering them too. If they are then you can point a dish at the astra satelite and pick up RTL then turn on five live commentary.

Wont be as good but there's NO WAY im getting Sky.
BBC is so good with David Jake Eddie and Martin :banghead::banghead::banghead:



That's what I'll be doing. I have no idea how to set it up but good old pops seems to. There's not a chance in hell I'll ever get Sky and I'm not watching half of the races hours after they've aired, or worse, as a highlights programme. So either I:

a) Watch foreign coverage with 5Live commentary
b) Stream online with poor quality
c) Quit watching F1

Not a great list of options but I'l be damned if I ever give the Murdoch's a penny of my income.

I've left my comments on that BBC blog too, not that it'll achieve much but I needed to vent somewhere.

ESPN article:

Faced with a freeze on the license fee, the BBC has been forced to make cuts and it was suggested that nothing was too sacred to be dropped even its coverage of the prestigious Wimbledon tennis tournament. Despite its high viewing figures, it wasn't tough for the BBC to conclude that F1 had to be cut in some way in order to save its crown jewel of Wimbledon.

This created a dilemma for Ecclestone who said last month that "I will do my best to keep F1 on the BBC." He added that "the BBC have done a great job for us and we like their shows and the people obviously like it because so many are watching." It left the BBC with a decision: either break its contract by dropping F1 completely, a move which would have saddled it with a huge financial penalty, or find some way of reducing its annual fee. The most logical way of reducing its fee is to reduce the amount of coverage it gets and this is exactly what it did.

It wasn't that simple though. Reducing its coverage by half required finding a partner to broadcast the other 50% of races. There is good reason why the BBC turned to BSkyB.

Bernie Ecclestone: "The BBC brought Sky to us with the idea of a joint contract"

Both ITV and Channel 4 were in negotiations with Ecclestone about taking over the F1 rights and the F1 boss said that, if necessary, he would have asked Channel 5 if it wanted to make a bid. However, all of these stations are direct terrestrial rivals to the BBC whereas BSkyB is the main player in the pay-per-view arena. It explains why, according to Ecclestone, "the BBC brought Sky to us with the idea of a joint contract." Likewise, when asked whether he felt it was a shame that a terrestrial broadcaster would no longer be showing every race live he said "it was not us who made that decision."

Nevertheless, it certainly hasn't left Ecclestone out of pocket with F1 getting around £15m from the BBC under the new deal, which runs until 2018, with BSkyB paying an estimated £25m. Its premium is thought to be due to the fact that switching to pay-per-view could reduce F1's viewing figures and in turn dent the teams' sponsorship revenues which depend on wide exposure.


Full article here:
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/55698.html


This is so bloody annoying. I understand that Channel 4 couldn't take over until 2013 but what about ITV. They've done it, albeit somewhat shoddily, before and as much as I'd hate to go back to their coverage it's a damn sight better than having only 50% of the races. The BBC should have given up their rights rather than sell out the fans like this.
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By acosmichippo
#268706
I just love how BBC blames Bernie, Bernie blames BBC and FOTA, and FOTA blame Bernie and BBC.

Why can't everyone just come out and say, "We chose this arrangement because it gives all of us the most money. It had nothing to do with fans."

BBC could have opted out completely, and allowed another FTA channel to pick up f1.

Bernie could have insisted all races be aired live on FTA, thus forcing BBC's hand.

FOTA could have insisted the same.

But no, they're all happy since their pockets are a bit fuller. At least for the short term. Just wait until 2018 when F1 is shown only on PPV (but it's OK since BBC will cover the "whole story" with highlight programmes at 3am) and being run on 1000cc 2-cylinder engines with tyres that last only one lap. Then they'll be wondering where their fans (and thus £££) went to.
By GerryEllis
#268707
I am compelled to write. Why? Because of the control these people have over our lives; an erosion of the things we enjoy. These people are not interested in the Sport itself just how to make more money. The only way to stop this or dent their ambitions of making more money is to stop watching Formula One completely.
Out of principle this is what I intend to do even though it' hurts' and is the only programme on terrestrial TV I enjoy. If every held firm and boycotted next season either travelling to watch it live or on TV they they would have no choice or control as they have now.

Their idea, give you half the races next year and the year after one or two and then its gone to sky forever.

Very unhappy
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By LewEngBridewell
#268714
Their idea, give you half the races next year and the year after one or two and then its gone to sky forever.

Very unhappy


If it ever goes to Sky totally, then I'm well and truly knackered. :cryfloods:
By Jezza
#268718
This is one of the worst moments for F1, F1 has always been free to watch I was disappointed when it when it went to itv but this is so much worse, I had sky and just got cut off that is quite annoying

Bernie change it back :nono:
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