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[racechick]

Lancs is a bit far away...but do you have a wood near your school?

But the races wont be shown in full will they? Only in full the ten designated races, the rest highlights only

The staff are a bunch of planks, if that counts?

Seriously, now that they're no longer my employer, I would not recommend anyone work for the academy. They've screwed so many over that it's just unreal. Wait...shouldn't badmouth your employer, definitely shouldn't badmouth your customer? Oops...

Apparently, there are discussions going on to allow the BBC show the whole race on tape delay, rather than just a highlights show. That way F1 would remain FTA, but us non-Sky-subscribers would have to wait to see the results. So that means being rather careful about who you talk to, where you go online and what you watch on the TV in order to avoid finding the result out. This isn't confirmed, however, and at the moment it is still being branded 'extended highlights'. :/

Hopefully FOTA will leave F1 whenever the contract runs out and form 'Eff Juan', giving BBC exclusive UK broadcast rights until the sun burns the earth.

I hope FOTA do leave. Ive hoped theyd leave each time there's been hint of a breakaway.

They won't leave.

But they should! where are there guts! there's enough business men amongst the top teams to make it work. I cud help

Problem is, nobody would take up the coverage because nobody can really afford it. The BBC and Sky would be locked in to the remnants of F1, ITV aren't interested. Maybe Channel 4 and Five could, but I'm not sure I can see that. FOTA's best bet is to push on the tape delay, hope that Sky don't find it a good enough investment (why pay £500+ per year when you can just watch it a few hours after it happens) and then force Ecclestone in to offering it at a lower price. Of course, that then doesn't benefit the teams, but I actually had some ideas for FOM to make back some money. In a similar way to the attempted F1 channel launched a couple of years ago, FOM could sell their own online subscription service which gives viewers greater coverage through the F1 website. It might mean scaling back what can be broadcast by the channels they sell the rights to (perhaps practice sessions, or some of the interactive features) but it could work. It would have to be a low-price service for it to take off, mind you.

tape delay sounds good! Shafting sky even better
I cant believe no one would take up F1 ??? Im sure someone would

On your boss. That doesnt sound good. bin there, done that didnt like it. For a good boss id work my arse off , but an idiot

[AndyF1]

I've joined just to comment here.

I heard the news this morning and it is awful! I don't have Sky sports and don't intend to buy it on top of my current cable package. Like I have £15 a month spare?

I'm also thinking about my parents and elderly aunt who have Freeview and no chance of getting Sky sports.

So far I have written to:
The BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
FOTA:http://www.teamsassociation.org/ (asking to support a clause in the concorde agreement to keep it free to air)
FOM: http://www.formula1.com/contacts.html
My MP (asking that F1 is added to the list of programmes with legal protection which have to be broadcast on free to air)
Still have FIA to go.

I would recommend you all do the same and register discontent officially.

We'll do this!

[vaptin]

The BBC can't financially compete with Sky.

I think the only option is to refuse to watch it on Sky, and make it unprofitable for them to run.

I think the chances of getting f1 mandated for all the races to be shown in full free to air are pretty slim.

The details from the Concorde agreement aren't clear, is f1 coverage full f1 coverage? Do highlights still apply, if FOTA cared enough about this there'd be a legal battle.

It depends on what the teams's sponsors say.

[racechick]

I've joined just to comment here.

I heard the news this morning and it is awful! I don't have Sky sports and don't intend to buy it on top of my current cable package. Like I have £15 a month spare?

I'm also thinking about my parents and elderly aunt who have Freeview and no chance of getting Sky sports.

So far I have written to:
The BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
FOTA:http://www.teamsassociation.org/ (asking to support a clause in the concorde agreement to keep it free to air)
FOM: http://www.formula1.com/contacts.html
My MP (asking that F1 is added to the list of programmes with legal protection which have to be broadcast on free to air)
Still have FIA to go.

I would recommend you all do the same and register discontent officially.

We'll do this!

Hi Andy, glad you've come aboard and hope you'll stay.
I agree with your comments. A tip-trying to contact the FIA is impossible...Ive tried. they remain very secretive.

[andrew]

Here is the BBC's weak bottom reasoning behind this moronic mess they have caused.

We announced today that from next season the BBC will be sharing coverage of Formula 1 with Sky Sports.

There has been considerable reaction to the news so I feel it's important to explain some of the background behind what has happened.

The headline is that under a seven-year deal starting next season, we will be showing 10 of the races in the F1 calendar, plus the corresponding qualifying and practice sessions, live on BBC TV.

We will broadcast extended highlights for the rest of the grands prix just a few hours after the chequered flag has been waved. Sky will have live action from all races, qualifying and practice sessions.

There has been a great deal of unsettling speculation recently about F1 rights. Amid all the rumour and counter-rumour, our production and on-air team have shown huge professionalism, dedication and expertise to keep delivering the high quality output that has become the trademark of our coverage.

The speculation is now over. This new arrangement extends the BBC's commitment to F1 by a further five years - our existing contract, which gave us exclusive rights in the UK, was due to expire in 2013. But of course it does mean our coverage will not be as comprehensive as it has been in recent years.

So why are we sharing the coverage with Sky when up to now it had just been us?

Ultimately, of course, decisions about which media organisations get the chance to broadcast F1 are taken by Bernie Ecclestone's Formula 1 Management (FOM). But from the BBC's perspective the new set-up provided us with an opportunity to continue our association with this gripping sport, which has captured the imagination of our audiences since it returned to BBC screens in 2009, with viewing figures at a 10-year high this season.

And while our coverage from 2012 may not be as extensive as it has been up to now, the bare facts are that the BBC needs to save money. Given the financial circumstances in which we find ourselves, we believe this new deal offers the best outcome for licence-fee payers.

In a sense this partnership with Sky is another example of how the landscape of sports broadcasting has been transformed in recent years. There was a time when the BBC and other public service broadcasters could expect to televise all the big sports themselves. Now though we have a 'mixed economy', with some events on satellite while others are on terrestrial.

And although this may be the first time the BBC has shared Formula 1 with another broadcaster, there is a long-standing pattern of partnerships between free-to-air and pay TV to cover major sports. So the Champions League can be watched on both Sky and ITV; US Masters golf is now shared between ourselves and Sky (with audiences for that event up this year); and then of course there is the Premier League - with live games on Sky and ESPN, while our ever-popular highlights programme Match of the Day keeps football fans entertained on a Saturday night.

This new F1 arrangement will allow us to tell the story of the whole F1 season for BBC viewers, while providing extended access to the biggest moments in the calendar: including the glamour of Monaco, the excitement of the last race of the season, plus the British grand prix at Silverstone, which remains one of the highlights of the UK's sporting summer.

In addition to our award-winning TV output, we will continue with our exclusive radio coverage on 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra as well as our comprehensive F1 website and mobile services and the regular broadcasts on BBC News outlets. We know F1 fans appreciate the extensive multi-platform coverage we offer and, as well as capturing those big moments on TV, we pledge to keep audiences up to date with all the news and action throughout the season, wherever they are.

You will appreciate these are early days, with much still to decide, including some of the detail around our own production. We will let you know as soon as there is more to say on that front - but in the meantime there is the small matter of the 2011 season to focus on.

The bold parts made me think . Comparing the situation to Champions League is crap. It is possible to watch Champions League matches live without paying a subscription to Sky. Between BBC, ITV and on-line this is possible.

As for claiming this offers the best possible outcome for licence fee payers, I nearly fell off my chair!

Radio 5 has 2 commentators and 2 people inthe pit lane which are shared with BBC 1 (I think). BBC 1 has at least 3 pundits and 2 commentators. Why? Far too many. Not so long ago, there was Murray Walker in teh commentary box and Johnothan Palmer in the pitlane. That provided sufficient coverage. Streamline F1 (and other sports coverage) and they will make a huge saving. Drop BBC 3, Merge BBC 2 and BBC 4 as they show similar types of stuff in the evening and they will save even more. News 24 is just a complete waste of time so there is another huge saving there. Or the BBC could join the 21st century and generate income from commercials.

The BBC still has money for channels which have very low viewing figures, arts programs and Family Guy repeats. I call to the reasoning offered by this Gallop chap.

You can read the comments to his blog here if you wish. Much the same feelings of anger as here.

It's gonna be a few days 'till I calm down from this!

[vaptin]

BB3, 4 and the like are minority channels, they're a different kettle of fish to f1. In f1 the bbc is competing with other main broadcasters now, with the smaller channels their existence is because of the BBCs mandate to cater to all, and show stuff other channels won't pick up because they aren't profitable.

[killem2]

Does this mean there is zero coverage on bbc now? What happens with brundle and coulthard?

[Lucky8matt]

Completely stupid deal F1 will now suffer this year I know lots of people that have started watching it because of the amazing job the BBC team does and having old experienced drivers commentating and chatting about the greats and floors about being a driver and experiences of bits that happen within the race to help the audience live the feeling of the race and now the move to sky sh!t sports is a complete disgrace and to screw the fans that have paid Bernie his money over the years is despicable, I cant believe such an intelligent man could be so stupid, why do you think the likes of vodafone and other companies sponsor F1 o wait because of the thousands of fans watching it, so really with the cost of living flying high most fans will not watch half a season and Bernie will get what he deserve because with less fans, less money sponsors will wanna pay……. Just plain business sense and I thought Bernie had that obviously too old to play the game any more

[SennaVille]

Has this been posted yet?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/29072011/ ... ected.html

We will still get the full race on the beeb, albeit delayed (hopefully by a few hours and not a week).

This s*** is f***ing s***, btw.

[What's Burning?]

I guess since we stateside will still continue to get our so-so coverage on SPEED and crappy four race (four hour delay) coverage on FOX this SKY business won't affect us in the slightest. Just looking for a silver lining.

[andrew]

I guess since we stateside will still continue to get our so-so coverage on SPEED and crappy four race (four hour delay) coverage on FOX this SKY business won't affect us in the slightest. Just looking for a silver lining.

The fact that you can watch every single race unedited gives me little comfort. Edited highlights just don't cut it.

[Lucky8matt]

You believe it will be un edited and I do believe it will wreck the suspense and you know I like on some races getting up at five in the morning to watch it and feel the suspense...... Can't believe a British sport is being screwed and really I don't think F1 or Bernie are thinking about the fans or lost drivers that have made this sport into what it is today!!! SAD day for F1

[myownalias]

I find myself feeling rather empty after hearing this news; I don't like the coverage of Speed/Fox here in the US so I watch the BBC coverage with the aid of a UK based VPN and the iPlayer (I would happily pay a licence fee to watch BBC programming in the US), it works out the same cost for the VPN! I am also in the fortunate position of being able to access Sky TV through the Internet thanks to my father's subscription to Sky TV. But that doesn't mean I like it; it's a disgrace; the BBC should have dropped BBC Four; that channel that less than 1% of UK viewers watch; F1 is getting 8 - 9 million viewers per F1 race right now; absolutely ridiculous! If the BBC want to save money on the coverage itself; ditch Jake Humphrey & Eddie Jordan, ditch practice coverage and the forum then go straight to race coverage with MB and DC five minute before the start of Q and the race, bad decision by the BBC and Bernie Ecclestone; there's goes the mass market appeal; many F1 fans will find alternative sources, bittorrent etc for the non-BBC covered races and will not subscribe to Sky TV or simply give up on F1 altogether. This sort of agreement in America is fine as F1 is not a staple of motorsport fans in the US but in the UK; F1 is by-far the largest motorsport in the country and now many of those fans will be frozen out for half the year!

[andrew]

I find myself feeling rather empty after hearing this news; I don't like the coverage of Speed/Fox here in the US so I watch the BBC coverage with the aid of a UK based VPN and the iPlayer (I would happily pay a licence fee to watch BBC programming in the US), it works out the same cost for the VPN! I am also in the fortunate position of being able to access Sky TV through the Internet thanks to my father's subscription to Sky TV. But that doesn't mean I like it; it's a disgrace; the BBC should have dropped BBC Four; that channel that less than 1% of UK viewers watch; F1 is getting 8 - 9 million viewers per F1 race right now; absolutely ridiculous! If the BBC want to save money on the coverage itself; ditch Jake Humphrey & Eddie Jordan, ditch practice coverage and the forum then go straight to race coverage with MB and DC five minute before the start of Q and the race, bad decision by the BBC and Bernie Ecclestone; there's goes the mass market appeal; many F1 fans will find alternative sources, bittorrent etc for the non-BBC covered races and will not subscribe to Sky TV or simply give up on F1 altogether. This sort of agreement in America is fine as F1 is not a staple of motorsport fans in the US but in the UK; F1 is by-far the largest motorsport in the country and now many of those fans will be frozen out for half the year!

A very sensible post and solution.

Wait a minute, that was a sensible post, where's me lynchin' rope lads? Sensible and this BBC mind fart are poles apart.

[Denthúl]

If the BBC want to save money on the coverage itself; ditch Jake Humphrey & Eddie Jordan, ditch practice coverage and the forum then go straight to race coverage with MB and DC five minute before the start of Q and the race,

Problem with that is that you lose almost everything that makes the BBC the superior choice. The only benefit you get is the Brundle/DC pairing, which could be shifted to another channel, and the fact that it only costs your licence fee to watch it.