FORUMula1.com - F1 Forum

Discuss the sport you love with other motorsport fans

User avatar
By F1er
#267856
i think this is a bit clutching at straws, sebb didnt have a great weekend, but that happens....

Whatsa great ''Seb weekend''?? Does it involve racing without a faster car?? :wavey:

No wonder he only wins from pole.
User avatar
By f1ea
#267875
For the very FIRST time LH,FA and SV had equally performing cars!!!

Lewis showed why he's Lewis. It's not the same winning with nobody in front,nobody chasing with a faster car,THAN having to actually RACE!


No, the cars were not equal. The huge gap RB ussually has was not there. But RB noticeably struggled with brakes and KERS, and Webber at the start. While Ferrari's 1 lap pace and early-stint pace was very poor. There were 2 times were Alonso could have challenged Lewis, but looked hopeless: one was on the tire-change for the last stint (the one when Alonso stayed longer only to actually drop time) and the other when he came out of the pits ahead but couldnt keep the car on the line due to the tires not being there. As for RB, they looked so-so all race long, except for maybe a few isolated laps.

Hey... Lewis drove a great trooper race, only very few would have been able to pull that win there... but that doesnt mean the cars were equal.
By Peng
#267878
Not really my argument... matter of facto, i never even mentioned Hamilton.


You actually did mention Hamilton lol :p

Hamilton picked up a few places, in a "comeback to form" weekend. With no issues from the car


For the very FIRST time LH,FA and SV had equally performing cars!!!

Lewis showed why he's Lewis. It's not the same winning with nobody in front,nobody chasing with a faster car,THAN having to actually RACE!


No, the cars were not equal. The huge gap RB ussually has was not there. But RB noticeably struggled with brakes and KERS, and Webber at the start. While Ferrari's 1 lap pace and early-stint pace was very poor. There were 2 times were Alonso could have challenged Lewis, but looked hopeless: one was on the tire-change for the last stint (the one when Alonso stayed longer only to actually drop time) and the other when he came out of the pits ahead but couldnt keep the car on the line due to the tires not being there. As for RB, they looked so-so all race long, except for maybe a few isolated laps.

Hey... Lewis drove a great trooper race, only very few would have been able to pull that win there... but that doesnt mean the cars were equal.


Considering the cars were pretty even the entire race pace wise i would say they were quite even, they traded places so much its hard to find a better definition of equally paced cars in any race that i can remember.

And what problem with the KERS did they have? i heard the break bias radio talk during the race which actually didn't seem to effect seb at all but i never heard of any problems with their KERS.
User avatar
By F1er
#267880
For the very FIRST time LH,FA and SV had equally performing cars!!!

Lewis showed why he's Lewis. It's not the same winning with nobody in front,nobody chasing with a faster car,THAN having to actually RACE!


No, the cars were not equal. The huge gap RB ussually has was not there. But RB noticeably struggled with brakes and KERS, and Webber at the start. While Ferrari's 1 lap pace and early-stint pace was very poor. There were 2 times were Alonso could have challenged Lewis, but looked hopeless: one was on the tire-change for the last stint (the one when Alonso stayed longer only to actually drop time) and the other when he came out of the pits ahead but couldnt keep the car on the line due to the tires not being there. As for RB, they looked so-so all race long, except for maybe a few isolated laps.

Hey... Lewis drove a great trooper race, only very few would have been able to pull that win there... but that doesnt mean the cars were equal.


:rofl:
Whatever man.
By What's Burning?
#267885
It would be easier if they only announce when the KERS on the RB7 works, not when it doesn't. :hehe:
By andrew
#267887
It would be easier if they only announce when the KERS on the RB7 works, not when it doesn't. :hehe:


I don't think Red Bull know themselves when it works and doesn't work!
By The Ram
#267897
I think Vettel went a long way to shutting up some of his critics. There was some nice racing by him and some good passes in the German GP. A very mature race, clearly thinking of the championship and looking after the car. :clap:


Is this sarcasm? I read it as "I think Vettel has a long way to go in shutting up some of his critics"

First time he was really chasing instead of being chased, he spun the car around. Thereafter, he simply kept the car on track and racing all alone until he caught Massa, and then just followed him till the pitstops where the team bailed him out. Hardly a Champions drive I would say...


No it's not sarcasm at all. He drove a very mature and sensible race. So what if he spun the car round? He is still a young guy with a lot to learn and they all have their bad days (who was it that went 2 races with trying to drive through people?).

It was a champions drive as he clearly knows that he doesn't have to risk the car and take it easy. The drive was that of a thinking driver rather than a boy racer. You can't win them all and he surely knows that.



He has more than 4 years experience... That aint young!
User avatar
By f1ea
#267899
It would be easier if they only announce when the KERS on the RB7 works, not when it doesn't. :hehe:


I don't think Red Bull know themselves when it works and doesn't work!


hehe this is what their KERS button does:
:homo:

f1ea wrote:
Not really my argument... matter of facto, i never even mentioned Hamilton.


You actually did mention Hamilton lol :p


ahem... read up, you'll see on that post i was answering to someone ELSE who mentioned/brought up Hamilton. But if you want to LOL... then fine... LOLing is healthy.

He has more than 4 years experience... That aint young!


Age and Experience are not the same. And he has 3.5 yrs experience to be precise ;)
By andrew
#267901
I think Vettel went a long way to shutting up some of his critics. There was some nice racing by him and some good passes in the German GP. A very mature race, clearly thinking of the championship and looking after the car. :clap:


Is this sarcasm? I read it as "I think Vettel has a long way to go in shutting up some of his critics"

First time he was really chasing instead of being chased, he spun the car around. Thereafter, he simply kept the car on track and racing all alone until he caught Massa, and then just followed him till the pitstops where the team bailed him out. Hardly a Champions drive I would say...


No it's not sarcasm at all. He drove a very mature and sensible race. So what if he spun the car round? He is still a young guy with a lot to learn and they all have their bad days (who was it that went 2 races with trying to drive through people?).

It was a champions drive as he clearly knows that he doesn't have to risk the car and take it easy. The drive was that of a thinking driver rather than a boy racer. You can't win them all and he surely knows that.


He has more than 4 years experience... That aint young!


24 ain't young? Right........ By that logic I should be drawing my pension by now. :rolleyes:

Incidently, Hamilton is 26 and 4 and a half years experience and still makes daft mistakes. Go figure!
By andrew
#267902
It would be easier if they only announce when the KERS on the RB7 works, not when it doesn't. :hehe:


I don't think Red Bull know themselves when it works and doesn't work!


hehe this is what their KERS button does:
:homo:


I don't think it even does that much! :rofl:
By The Ram
#267908
I think Vettel went a long way to shutting up some of his critics. There was some nice racing by him and some good passes in the German GP. A very mature race, clearly thinking of the championship and looking after the car. :clap:


Is this sarcasm? I read it as "I think Vettel has a long way to go in shutting up some of his critics"

First time he was really chasing instead of being chased, he spun the car around. Thereafter, he simply kept the car on track and racing all alone until he caught Massa, and then just followed him till the pitstops where the team bailed him out. Hardly a Champions drive I would say...


No it's not sarcasm at all. He drove a very mature and sensible race. So what if he spun the car round? He is still a young guy with a lot to learn and they all have their bad days (who was it that went 2 races with trying to drive through people?).

It was a champions drive as he clearly knows that he doesn't have to risk the car and take it easy. The drive was that of a thinking driver rather than a boy racer. You can't win them all and he surely knows that.


He has more than 4 years experience... That aint young!


24 ain't young? Right........ By that logic I should be drawing my pension by now. :rolleyes:

Incidently, Hamilton is 26 and 4 and a half years experience and still makes daft mistakes. Go figure!


They are both in F1 from 2007. They have almost the same experience... Did anybody tell Mike Tyson he was "young to the game" when he was knocking out people asses all over the place? Or Tell usain Bolt he was "Young to sprinting" when he has been sprinting for over 13 years? (A master sprinter is 10 years, and peak usually around 27m 28 years).

A "rookie level" F1 driver is one to two years. After 3 years though you are accomplished, and 4 years and up is "seasoned" and anything 7 years and up is Veteran - to me at least.
"Master level" or "Peak" is something that changes from driver to driver, some peak earlier than others... But Age has nothing to do with driving an F1 car (or performing in other sports), it's experience.

Perfect Example, Alonso at 26 Vs Petrov at 26.

I mean.. in 2010, Vettel was racing in his FOURTH SEASON in F1... (Count 'em, 2007 (half), 2008, 2009, 2010)....
By andrew
#267910
They are both in F1 from 2007. They have almost the same experience... Did anybody tell Mike Tyson he was "young to the game" when he was knocking out people asses all over the place? Or Tell usain Bolt he was "Young to sprinting" when he has been sprinting for over 13 years? (A master sprinter is 10 years, and peak usually around 27m 28 years).


I'll tkae your word for it. I'm not interested in boxing or athletics.

A "rookie level" F1 driver is one to two years. After 3 years though you are accomplished, and 4 years and up is "seasoned" and anything 7 years and up is Veteran - to me at least.
"Master level" or "Peak" is something that changes from driver to driver, some peak earlier than others... But Age has nothing to do with driving an F1 car (or performing in other sports), it's experience.

Perfect Example, Alonso at 26 Vs Petrov at 26.


Where did you get those timings? I'd be interested to know.

Age has pleanty to do with driving in F1. It's all about level of maturity. Some drivers are more mature than others and can admit their mistakes whereas others act chilishly and look to blame their team, other drivers, race stewards etc etc.
By The Ram
#267917
They are both in F1 from 2007. They have almost the same experience... Did anybody tell Mike Tyson he was "young to the game" when he was knocking out people asses all over the place? Or Tell usain Bolt he was "Young to sprinting" when he has been sprinting for over 13 years? (A master sprinter is 10 years, and peak usually around 27m 28 years).


I'll tkae your word for it. I'm not interested in boxing or athletics.

A "rookie level" F1 driver is one to two years. After 3 years though you are accomplished, and 4 years and up is "seasoned" and anything 7 years and up is Veteran - to me at least.
"Master level" or "Peak" is something that changes from driver to driver, some peak earlier than others... But Age has nothing to do with driving an F1 car (or performing in other sports), it's experience.

Perfect Example, Alonso at 26 Vs Petrov at 26.


Where did you get those timings? I'd be interested to know.

Age has pleanty to do with driving in F1. It's all about level of maturity. Some drivers are more mature than others and can admit their mistakes whereas others act chilishly and look to blame their team, other drivers, race stewards etc etc.


Maturity in what? Life or Racing? Because Sportsmen are some of the most sheltered, immature people you can ever meet.

To me Age is no excuse for ssucking or kicking bottom. You come to turn the wheel, step on the pedals, give me my feedback and win the race.... whether you want to be Sean Connery at the end of the day that is up to you. :rofl:
By andrew
#267920
Any idiot can drive it like it's stolen all the time. The maturity comes in when you ignore this instinct and concentrate on getting a good haul of points without taking stupid risks.
User avatar
By bud
#267928
Any idiot can drive it like it's stolen all the time. The maturity comes in when you ignore this instinct and concentrate on getting a good haul of points without taking stupid risks.


His mistake, braking on the grass was caused from taking a risk. He was pushing hard to catch Alonso at that point, trying to place the car that extra little bit wider to gain speed.
  • 1
  • 29
  • 30
  • 31
  • 32
  • 33
  • 246

See our F1 related articles too!