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[racechick]

Hugely surprised at Alonso letting Hamilton past so easily after his pit stop. Thought the chap had some fight in him or did he have to slow down? Must have been light on the fuel and had to go slow. Massa had a strong race but his final pitstop was a disaster.

Possibly the best decision, the Ferrari's are poor at warming up their tyres, I think Alonso took the fastest line he could, the grip just wasn't there. This year overtaking is different, if the pace came to Alonso after, he could've got Hamilton back like in Sliverstone.

The low fuel was also telling, going lighter on the fuel loads seems to be a common way for teams to paper over poor performance, they hope to make up places at the start of the race, then have a big enough gap to save fuel.

Either that, or Alonso was just using more fuel than usual, as he was pushing and so was using higher engine settings than the other drivers, or he would normally.

No. he was asked if low fuel was the reason he let lewis past and then couldnt catch him. he said , no, fuel wasnt an issue he was concentrating on covering Webber in third.

[andrew]

No. he was asked if low fuel was the reason he let lewis past and then couldnt catch him. he said , no, fuel wasnt an issue he was concentrating on covering Webber in third.

Ah thanks, wasn't aware of that. I've been away from internet land since Saturday and switched the coverage off as soon as the race ended. Couldn't be bothered with Eddie Jordan bashing Vettel and wittering total about psychology and wotnot.

[LewEngBridewell]

No. he was asked if low fuel was the reason he let lewis past and then couldnt catch him. he said , no, fuel wasnt an issue he was concentrating on covering Webber in third.

Ah thanks, wasn't aware of that. I've been away from internet land since Saturday and switched the coverage off as soon as the race ended. Couldn't be bothered with Eddie Jordan bashing Vettel and wittering total about psychology and wotnot.

Lol, Eddie Jordan did a feature for the BBC on Saturday about how he thought the wheels had come off McLaren. He was eating the biggest slice of humble pie ever after the race.

It's something he eats rather often actually Still a joy to watch though, I think he's funny.

[myownalias]

No. he was asked if low fuel was the reason he let lewis past and then couldnt catch him. he said , no, fuel wasnt an issue he was concentrating on covering Webber in third.

Ah thanks, wasn't aware of that. I've been away from internet land since Saturday and switched the coverage off as soon as the race ended. Couldn't be bothered with Eddie Jordan bashing Vettel and wittering total about psychology and wotnot.

Lol, Eddie Jordan did a feature for the BBC on Saturday about how he thought the wheels had come off McLaren. He was eating the biggest slice of humble pie ever after the race.

It's something he eats rather often actually Still a joy to watch though, I think he's funny.

Maybe Eddie is employed as McLaren's chief motivator; if that is the case; he has done a spectacular job!

[andrew]

[darwin dali]

No. he was asked if low fuel was the reason he let lewis past and then couldnt catch him. he said , no, fuel wasnt an issue he was concentrating on covering Webber in third.

Ah thanks, wasn't aware of that. I've been away from internet land since Saturday and switched the coverage off as soon as the race ended. Couldn't be bothered with Eddie Jordan bashing Vettel and wittering total about psychology and wotnot.

Lol, Eddie Jordan did a feature for the BBC on Saturday about how he thought the wheels had come off McLaren. He was eating the biggest slice of humble pie ever after the race.

It's something he eats rather often actually Still a joy to watch though, I think he's funny.

He'd better watch his waistline then

[vaptin]

No. he was asked if low fuel was the reason he let lewis past and then couldnt catch him. he said , no, fuel wasnt an issue he was concentrating on covering Webber in third.

Ah thanks, wasn't aware of that. I've been away from internet land since Saturday and switched the coverage off as soon as the race ended. Couldn't be bothered with Eddie Jordan bashing Vettel and wittering total about psychology and wotnot.

Lol, Eddie Jordan did a feature for the BBC on Saturday about how he thought the wheels had come off McLaren. He was eating the biggest slice of humble pie ever after the race.

It's something he eats rather often actually Still a joy to watch though, I think he's funny.

Maybe Eddie is employed as McLaren's chief motivator; if that is the case; he has done a spectacular job!

Got them up to speed last year as well,

McLaren know they've gotta do something when Eddie's telling them its a dog of a car and will never win a race.

[spankyham]

All of your "going on records" are proving pretty damned interesting and I agree with you we've seen the pendulum begin to swing back. SF and McLaren can out manufacture anyone, but is it too little too late? I don't know, but I'm glad that the forecast is for good racing, not just racing for 2nd and 3rd.

Pendulum is definitely swinging, but it's too late. Seb would have really have to do a lot to throw it away from here. But, we will definitely have plenty more good races. Forget the championship and just enjoy each race for what it is. Perhaps have a look at how things stand after Singapore.

But I'll tell you this for the last time, bite your tongue on the Alonso and Hamilton pairing! It's like drinking orange juice after brushing your teeth.

Unlikely I know, but I'd love to see it

[Timekeeper]

Some good racing and overtakes by Vettel, should silence some of the kid's doubters.

Um.. Which overtakes? None that I can think of right now which were particularly worthy.. Or are you referring to Red Bull's pit stop on the final lap.. Seemed the only way he could pass Massa.

He certainly hasn't silenced me. I think he's a fantastic driver and has incredible pace especially when up front. He's made significant improvements from last season, especially in regards to his consistency and starts. But where is his overtaking ability, confidence and drive when he's not at the front of the pack? I'm yet to see it TBH. Feel free to correct me, and I know SV's ability is under constant scrutiny on these forums.. But I just don't see how you would think following that race weekend his doubters would be 'silenced'.

[andrew]

Some good racing and overtakes by Vettel, should silence some of the kid's doubters.

Um.. Which overtakes? None that I can think of right now which were particularly worthy.. Or are you referring to Red Bull's pit stop on the final lap.. Seemed the only way he could pass Massa.

He certainly hasn't silenced me. I think he's a fantastic driver and has incredible pace especially when up front. He's made significant improvements from last season, especially in regards to his consistency and starts. But where is his overtaking ability, confidence and drive when he's not at the front of the pack? I'm yet to see it TBH. Feel free to correct me, and I know SV's ability is under constant scrutiny on these forums.. But I just don't see how you would think following that race weekend his doubters would be 'silenced'.

Go watch the race again. If he hasn't silenced you then that is your problem mate. Some observors say hwe can't overtake and he did. That should make some folk eat their words.

[Timekeeper]

I think Vettel went a long way to shutting up some of his critics. There was some nice racing by him and some good passes in the German GP. A very mature race, clearly thinking of the championship and looking after the car.

Is this sarcasm? I read it as "I think Vettel has a long way to go in shutting up some of his critics"

First time he was really chasing instead of being chased, he spun the car around. Thereafter, he simply kept the car on track and racing all alone until he caught Massa, and then just followed him till the pitstops where the team bailed him out. Hardly a Champions drive I would say...

No it's not sarcasm at all. He drove a very mature and sensible race. So what if he spun the car round? He is still a young guy with a lot to learn and they all have their bad days (who was it that went 2 races with trying to drive through people?).

It was a champions drive as he clearly knows that he doesn't have to risk the car and take it easy. The drive was that of a thinking driver rather than a boy racer. You can't win them all and he surely knows that.

Taken from a quote of yours from another thread..

So which is it? Did he drive a safe and mature race and try and secure the points? Or did he 'silence his critics' through his 'array of passing moves'.. You seriously must have been watching another race mate. No offense but can you name me one single move he pulled off?

I honestly can't remember him 'passing' anyone except Alonso (LOL)? He started in fourth on the grid.. Lost the position to Alonso on the first lap. He gained the position back on Lap 4 only when Alonso ran wide on the tarmac going into turn 2.. Can you explain to me how that is overtaking wizardry exactly? Not to mention Alonso regained that spot several laps later .. Then the German 'master' had a spin at Turn 10.. Then got stuck behind Massa for about FIFTEEN laps and couldn't pass him. He only passed him due to the superior Red Bull pit team.

Is this meant to have 'silenced' me?

I actually quite like Vettel generally - and he's even admitted he hasn't had the best weekend.. So why have you chosen his worst result/race of the year as supposed evidence of his great passing ability

I'd love to hear your evidence of his passing ability.. Without being told to 'watch the race again'...

I just am bewildered.

[PartsaS]

Some good racing and overtakes by Vettel, should silence some of the kid's doubters.

Um.. Which overtakes? None that I can think of right now which were particularly worthy.. Or are you referring to Red Bull's pit stop on the final lap.. Seemed the only way he could pass Massa.

He certainly hasn't silenced me. I think he's a fantastic driver and has incredible pace especially when up front. He's made significant improvements from last season, especially in regards to his consistency and starts. But where is his overtaking ability, confidence and drive when he's not at the front of the pack? I'm yet to see it TBH. Feel free to correct me, and I know SV's ability is under constant scrutiny on these forums.. But I just don't see how you would think following that race weekend his doubters would be 'silenced'.

Go watch the race again. If he hasn't silenced you then that is your problem mate. Some observors say hwe can't overtake and he did. That should make some folk eat their words.

If you give me a red bull I can overtalke too ... but
to which overtakes are you reffering to?
Anyway what i saw was a poor perfomance for a champion!
If he is racing alone in the front he is quite fast but if someone push him hard or if he is back on the grid he is a disaster... button, rosberg, kombayashi and even massa are far better drivers than him(my oppinion)
all we know about him is that he is faster in qualy, than webber although webber had his worst year with too many misfortunes and kers braking down always at his car!
he 's no true champion

[Ichabod]

Go watch the race again. If he hasn't silenced you then that is your problem mate. Some observors say hwe can't overtake and he did. That should make some folk eat their words.

Just out of interest who did Sebastian overtake ?

[Denthúl]

Vettel passed Kobayashi on lap 20 (the lap that Kamui pitted) and Petrov on lap 22 (Petrov pitted a lap later).

[andrew]

Taken from a quote of yours from another thread..

So which is it? Did he drive a safe and mature race and try and secure the points? Or did he 'silence his critics' through his 'array of passing moves'.. You seriously must have been watching another race mate. No offense but can you name me one single move he pulled off?

I honestly can't remember him 'passing' anyone except Alonso (LOL)? He started in fourth on the grid.. Lost the position to Alonso on the first lap. He gained the position back on Lap 4 only when Alonso ran wide on the tarmac going into turn 2.. Can you explain to me how that is overtaking wizardry exactly? Not to mention Alonso regained that spot several laps later .. Then the German 'master' had a spin at Turn 10.. Then got stuck behind Massa for about FIFTEEN laps and couldn't pass him. He only passed him due to the superior Red Bull pit team.

Is this meant to have 'silenced' me?

I actually quite like Vettel generally - and he's even admitted he hasn't had the best weekend.. So why have you chosen his worst result/race of the year as supposed evidence of his great passing ability

I'd love to hear your evidence of his passing ability.. Without being told to 'watch the race again'...

I just am bewildered.

I don't need to name any passes and have no intention of doing so. You should have been watching the race. If you don't understand why it was a championship drive then you never will. Aside from one mistake is was a steady and mature drive. He could have acted the boy racer and tried to play catch up but there is no point doing that when you don't need to win. Quite similar to some of Alain Prost's drives now that I think about it.

If you give me a red bull I can overtalke too ... but
to which overtakes are you reffering to?
Anyway what i saw was a poor perfomance for a champion!
If he is racing alone in the front he is quite fast but if someone push him hard or if he is back on the grid he is a disaster... button, rosberg, kombayashi and even massa are far better drivers than him(my oppinion)
all we know about him is that he is faster in qualy, than webber although webber had his worst year with too many misfortunes and kers braking down always at his car!
he 's no true champion

I've seen much worse performances from so called champions this year. One spin and then a brake problem isn't teh best but it is far from being the worst. At least he didn't have any contact with anyone. The problems at Red Bull are not always with Webber. Vettel has had his share, albeit not at such crucial times but to think that Red Bull are deliberately knobbling Webber is stupid. But away you go, jump in a Red Bull and I'll sit and watch and laugh. I would say he is a truer champion than some.