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#263659
A bit dated perhaps but the state of F1 today drives his point home all the harder.

Want to Fix F1? Forget V-8s. Ban Downforce!
BY CSABA CSERE
March 2005

Other than Ferrari fanatics around the world, of which there are certainly many, who was happy with the 2004 Formula 1 season? I don't know any fans who were energized by Michael Schumacher's winning 12 of the first 13 races as he cruised to his fifth consecutive world championship in his overdog Ferrari, which earned the Prancing Horse its sixth consecutive constructors' championship.

Not only did Schumacher and Ferrari dominate the season, but they also achieved their victories in the most antiseptic fashion. Whether attending a race in person, as I did the Spanish and U.S. Grands Prix, or viewing the action on the Speed Channel, excitement was scarce. Schumacher started from the pole position in eight of the season's 18 races, winning those rounds with apparent ease. During his five other wins, Schumacher would consistently and mysteriously grab the lead and establish a comfortable cushion well before the end of the race.

In fact, Schumacher and company would typically seize the lead in the pits. This leadership in race strategy and pit work, combined with the fastest car and best driver, explain the season's outcome. And Ferrari deserves credit for assembling such a consistently superior effort. But it sure didn't make for interesting racing.

At the same time, technical variety and innovation seem at an all-time low in Formula 1. Twenty years ago, the cars were powered by fours, sixes, eights, and twelves, either naturally aspirated, turbocharged, or supercharged. Moreover, suspension designs varied significantly, as did aerodynamic configurations. Today, in the interests of cost savings, the cars are remarkably similar. They are all required to use naturally aspirated V-10s. Their suspension configurations are substantially the same. And with the exception of the oddball curlicue, the aero packages are essentially identical.

This enforced uniformity is an effort to control costs. But with current annual budgets running about $400 million for the winning teams, everyone thinks the series is still too expensive. The FIA has responded with several proposals for the 2006 season to further reduce costs.

As you may have heard, the plan is to reduce engine displacement from 3000 to 2400cc and the cylinder count from 10 to eight. This being a 20-percent reduction in both cases, the idea is to cut engine power while maintaining the existing cylinder modules. But the regulations actually go much further than this.

Current rules allow any angle between a V-10's two cylinder banks, but the proposed 2006 rules mandate a conventional 90-degree bank angle. The new rules also do away with the existing five-valve option, forcing a four-valve design. They also limit the maximum cylinder bore to no more than 3.86 inches (98.0 millimeters), the bore center spacing to no less than 4.19 inches (106.5mm), and the minimum engine weight to 208 pounds, and they ban variable-geometry intake systems, variable camshaft timing and lift, more than one injector per cylinder, and any use of magnesium, metal matrix composites, or various other exotic alloys and composites. And the detailed restrictions go on and on. By forcing the use of conventional construction and materials, the FIA expects these proposed engines will be less expensive to develop and manufacture.

These represent remarkable changes for a race series that considers itself to be at the technical apex of the sport. Given that the new BMW 3-series is about to go on sale with a magnesium block, the Ford GT and several production motorcycles have two injectors per cylinder, and numerous engines use variable cam timing and five valves per cylinder, these changes, if implemented, will make F1 engines less sophisticated than many contemporary mass-produced powerplants. Sounds a little like NASCAR, on a somewhat higher technical plateau.

Although these changes might save the teams some money, cheaper engines and somewhat less power are not going to make the racing any more interesting. To accomplish that, Formula 1 needs to do something that will make it easier for one driver to outbrake another while entering a corner, or draft another driver in a curve to make it easier to pass on a subsequent straightaway.

Currently, outbraking another driver is extremely difficult because the braking distances are so short. Today's Grand Prix cars can slow from 200 to 50 mph in about 2.3 seconds and in less than 400 feet. Leave your braking even a 10th of second later than your opponent, and you will be entering the 50-mph corner at 55. Schumacher can't pull that off.

Even an exotic sports car such as the Porsche Carrera GT requires something more than 1000 feet to slow from 200 to 50 mph. That's two and a half times as long as a Grand Prix car takes, and the difference is caused by downforce. At 200 mph, a modern GP car develops as much as 4000 pounds of aerodynamic downforce, or two and a half times the weight of the car. That's why the car can brake at more than 5.00 g at 200 mph.

This same downforce is what prevents one racer from closely following another through a high-speed corner. The disturbed air slipping and sliding off the front-running car prevents a closely following competitor from developing optimal downforce. Without this aerodynamically induced grip, the following car can't negotiate a corner as quickly as the leading car, essentially losing any chance to pass on subsequent straightaways.

The answer to both of these competition-smothering problems is simple. Get rid of the downforce—all of it, or at least most of it. With zero downforce, braking distances from high speeds would nearly double, making it far easier to pass while slowing for a corner.

Similarly, eliminating downforce would make it possible to draft in corners and pass far more easily on straightaways. Moreover, cornering speeds would be reduced, enhancing safety, and with less grip, power oversteer would again be a factor rewarding drivers with more-sensitive throttle control.

Getting rid of downforce is easy. Ban front and rear wings, along with barge boards and other aerodynamic contrivances. Then raise ride height sufficiently to destroy the efficiency of underbody diffusers. If the billboard area lost with the wings is needed for commercial purposes, add a vertical tailfin above the engine bay.

More passing, closer racing, power oversteer—how could such racing not be better?
#266474
I agree with the original article.

Eliminate most downforce, except that which can be produced by the car - TWG would need to work on the technical specs since I am not an engineer. (addressing overtaking and cost issues)

Give them per-race fuel loads and they can go crazy with the engine so long as they can run on that fuel load (addressing green issues)

Make it so that engines produced can be bought by all teams for a set amount (addressing cost issues).

No midseason changes except to address safety concerns (addressing cost issues)

Eliminate KERS and DRS (addressing cost and safety issues)
#266564
If you don't like downforce watch touring cars instead.

I kind of likethe idea of going back to 50's style cars that would be kinda cool


Better tires, better brakes, safety devices and light weight materials. :yikes: I'd like that too!
#266793
The disconnect is that it's the high level of dependence on wings for downforce that makes (un-artificial) overtaking such a rarity. This is why Vettel is so successful when he rarely has the fastest car in the race. He's fast enough in Q3 to take P1, then his teammate, Professore Bernoulli, largely prevents the competition overtaking him under race conditions.

Until either they learn to live without so much of it, or find other means to create it, we never again will see those titanic battles for position that made the sport such a thrilling spectacle.
#266828
Banning downforce completely is too much.

What needs to be done is:

1) Reduce the engine power,
2) Dramatically reduce dependance on aero grip and return the emphasis to mechanical grip,
3) Reduce braking efficiency,
4) Harder/slidier tyres.

That should be a good start in taking F1 back to what is should be an all with no need for KERS, fragile tyres or DRS. Sadly F1 and technology have evolved to the point that I fear that the halcyon days of F1 have past and it is just about papering over the cracks without tackling the real problems in F1.
#266836
I kind of likethe idea of going back to 50's style cars that would be kinda cool


There's a massive reason why F1 cars cannot go back to what they were like in the 50s. Too many people died, you know... :deathshead:
#266861
I kind of likethe idea of going back to 50's style cars that would be kinda cool


There's a massive reason why F1 cars cannot go back to what they were like in the 50s. Too many people died, you know... :deathshead:



fine the 1950's with crash structures and seat belts then
#266862
I was thinking about this and what would an F1 car look like if downforce was banned. I would imagine it would look sort of like it does now but tuned for least drag.... However you can unlearn what you have learned so I would imagine even though it is banned there would be some sort of diffuser, a concave top to the monocouque or, a high rake angle to create some sort of downforce.
#266866
I was thinking about this and what would an F1 car look like if downforce was banned. I would imagine it would look sort of like it does now but tuned for least drag.... However you can unlearn what you have learned so I would imagine even though it is banned there would be some sort of diffuser, a concave top to the monocouque or, a high rake angle to create some sort of downforce.


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