Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266047

By myownalias - 16 Jul 11, 02:04

- 16 Jul 11, 02:04#266047

Pet Shop Boys, Opportunities (Let's make lots of money)... Bernie Ecclestone's theme song!

I can't help thinking we've gone a little off topic

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Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266048

By darwin dali - 16 Jul 11, 02:08

- 16 Jul 11, 02:08#266048

Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point.

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266050

By What's Burning? - 16 Jul 11, 02:18

- 16 Jul 11, 02:18#266050

Off topic? We're talking bout money money.

"I don't want to be part of a forum where everyone has differing opinions." Boom...

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266051

By darwin dali - 16 Jul 11, 02:23

- 16 Jul 11, 02:23#266051

Full circle with the Aussie POV

Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point.

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266052

By What's Burning? - 16 Jul 11, 02:24

- 16 Jul 11, 02:24#266052

Closure.

"I don't want to be part of a forum where everyone has differing opinions." Boom...

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266247

By racechick - 17 Jul 11, 07:08

- 17 Jul 11, 07:08#266247

Mark Webber's thought process........'Im not going to be allowed to win while Vettel is at Red Bull. Vettel will always be at Red Bull. Im in the fastest car, Ive got a year or two left to race. I'll settle for a shot at 2nd place in the championship...and I'll make the buggers pay

'

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abe Lincoln

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266254

By GRHinPorts - 17 Jul 11, 09:05

- 17 Jul 11, 09:05#266254

I suspect Red Bull know they cannot get Hamilton for 2012, and whilst their long term plans are probably with Ricciardo they probably correctly (although not certainly) deduce it would be two big a step for him to make up in 2012. So if they let Mark slip through their fingers they know they will left with a clear B driver for next year where is what they really want is an A- driver.

i.e. someone who can race around in Vettels wheel tracks, keeping him honest and pushing the teams pace forward (which I dont believe is what Ferrari quite get from Massa for instance) but just being a few tenths behind the "team leader".

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266263

By andrew - 17 Jul 11, 11:03

- 17 Jul 11, 11:03#266263

GRHinPorts wrote:I suspect Red Bull know they cannot get Hamilton for 2012, and whilst their long term plans are probably with Ricciardo they probably correctly (although not certainly) deduce it would be two big a step for him to make up in 2012. So if they let Mark slip through their fingers they know they will left with a clear B driver for next year where is what they really want is an A- driver.

i.e. someone who can race around in Vettels wheel tracks, keeping him honest and pushing the teams pace forward (which I dont believe is what Ferrari quite get from Massa for instance) but just being a few tenths behind the "team leader".

Do they even want him? I doubt it given the amount of drivers tehy already have on their books. besides, Hamilton would be a liability. Like Webber, he can only see as far as the end of his own nose and I can't see him playing the team game.

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266264

By bud - 17 Jul 11, 11:09

- 17 Jul 11, 11:09#266264

andrew wrote:
GRHinPorts wrote:I suspect Red Bull know they cannot get Hamilton for 2012, and whilst their long term plans are probably with Ricciardo they probably correctly (although not certainly) deduce it would be two big a step for him to make up in 2012. So if they let Mark slip through their fingers they know they will left with a clear B driver for next year where is what they really want is an A- driver.

i.e. someone who can race around in Vettels wheel tracks, keeping him honest and pushing the teams pace forward (which I dont believe is what Ferrari quite get from Massa for instance) but just being a few tenths behind the "team leader".
Do they even want him? I doubt it given the amount of drivers tehy already have on their books. besides, Hamilton would be a liability. Like Webber, he can only see as far as the end of his own nose and I can't see him playing the team game.

And Vettel is happy to play the team game? When it's going his way it's easy to be a team player hey!

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266267

By andrew - 17 Jul 11, 11:12

- 17 Jul 11, 11:12#266267

I see him as far more of a team player than Hamilton is.

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266269

By bud - 17 Jul 11, 11:14

- 17 Jul 11, 11:14#266269

andrew wrote:I see him as far more of a team player than Hamilton is.

Why is that? Hamiltons never had his team mates wing put on his car...

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266276

By FRAFPDD - 17 Jul 11, 11:40

- 17 Jul 11, 11:40#266276

I dont think Mark will want to give up a seat in a rocketship just because the team dont favour him, im rpetty sure hes happier where he is then say number 1 driver at HRT.

Alain Prost - Lewis Hamilton - Kamui Kobayashi - Fernando Alonso - Kimi Raikkonnen - Jenson Button

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266277

By andrew - 17 Jul 11, 11:46

- 17 Jul 11, 11:46#266277

FRAFPDD wrote:I dont think Mark will want to give up a seat in a rocketship just because the team dont favour him, im rpetty sure hes happier where he is then say number 1 driver at HRT.

Correct. Where else would he go? All options would be a step down and he would become another Barrichello - bitching about a German team mate and just making up the numbers. It fits in with Red Bulls plans if 2012 is his final year and his seat goes to Ricciardo who should have enough experience to end up in the Red Bull for 2013.

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266301

By racechick - 17 Jul 11, 13:53

- 17 Jul 11, 13:53#266301

andrew wrote: Hamilton would be a liability.

Er. Yeah right.

All Lewis wants is a car that can deliver, or is thereabouts and equal status with his team mate-he'll do the rest. The only 'liability' would come from a team mate who cant accept those terms.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abe Lincoln

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln

Re: Mark Webber In 'Positive' Red Bull Contract Talks#266304

By FRAFPDD - 17 Jul 11, 13:56

- 17 Jul 11, 13:56#266304

racechick wrote:
andrew wrote: Hamilton would be a liability.
Er. Yeah right.

A liability to Vettels success?