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acosmichippo wrote:Andrew, I think you're missing the point. This wasn't just "one bad showing" and this is not at all akin to abandoning a car after the first race. Vettel/RBR dominance has been a trend throughout this whole season, and changed very little today, and even their closest competitor was severely set back.I'm not missing any point. McLaren have been second to Red Bull all year. So far, this race is their only low point their season as they are out of their normal placing. You are right that Red Bull have dominated the whole season but McLaren have been the only ones to consistently take the fight to them. To give up on that would be extremely disappointing. Whilst I am happy with Vettel running away with the title, I still want another team to push him and Red Bull. McLaren are the only ones to do this consistently.
Anyway, I don't think they'll completely give up on 2011. Maybe they'll accept that they can't win, but the amount of money they get from F1 profits depends on how strongly hey finish, right? So they're still battling Ferrari and Mercedes for that. I'm sure they will start splitting their attention between this year's car and 2012 if they haven't already.
nish2280 wrote:I'm really starting to like Paul:Yep, he's a good level headed loon.
Hammer278 wrote:2011 WDC = Sebastian Vettel
Maybe someone should go on record and tell Mclaren to start working on their 2012 car...it seems the more they mess with this car with updates, the more backwards it goes. Rule change or not, its no excuse to go from where they were in Melbourne to being solid 3rd best in Valencia onwards.
Crawf wrote:Poor Ricciardo! Why on earth did Hispania send out Liuzzi and not Ricciardo for a 2nd run if they knew weather was on the way?!? Ricciardo has been a few tenths ahead of him all weekend....he coulda pushed d'Ambrosio for P22 IMODoes it matter?
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
darwin dali wrote:It does to us!Crawf wrote:Poor Ricciardo! Why on earth did Hispania send out Liuzzi and not Ricciardo for a 2nd run if they knew weather was on the way?!? Ricciardo has been a few tenths ahead of him all weekend....he coulda pushed d'Ambrosio for P22 IMODoes it matter?
darwin dali wrote:Crawf wrote:Poor Ricciardo! Why on earth did Hispania send out Liuzzi and not Ricciardo for a 2nd run if they knew weather was on the way?!? Ricciardo has been a few tenths ahead of him all weekend....he coulda pushed d'Ambrosio for P22 IMODoes it matter?




acosmichippo wrote:It was a last minute back up plan which let them back in the fight. They had a car which was a last minute put together which was actually 'close' to Redbull. From there onwards, they've either been stagnant or going backwards...and this regulation change has got them going even more backwards, sorry but exhausts are only 1 significant part of the car, the overall aero has many many sectors for improvement...exhaust reg changes aren't good enough for McLaren to justify their serious lack of pace.Hammer278 wrote:2011 WDC = Sebastian Vettel
Maybe someone should go on record and tell Mclaren to start working on their 2012 car...it seems the more they mess with this car with updates, the more backwards it goes. Rule change or not, its no excuse to go from where they were in Melbourne to being solid 3rd best in Valencia onwards.
I've been thinking about this... their performance gain between winter practice and Australia was mainly due to the exhaust system, right? I guess it only makes sense that if it's nullified, they'd suffer a huge setback.
acosmichippo wrote:so why WERE they so off the pace in qualifying?Well Hamilton was 10th because he didn't go all out on his lap, one the used softs, which wouldn't have been that far off. In general though, Mclaren seem to be slipping, and this new regulation doesn't seem to have helped. Renault seems to be the most affected, both of them were so far down. I really hope Ricciardo does well tonight, at least beating Liuzzi. Toro Rosso also seems to be a bit behind the ball. Great to see Heikki in Q2 again though
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