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#264705
Hey, its their position not mine.

Sorry, should have made it more clear; I wasn't getting at you; I was getting at the absurdity of the FIA; EBD should have been banned before the start of this season or before the start of next!

they did ban it before the start of next season.

Yes, but I mean that the partial bans (off throttle EBD and mapping changes between Q and race) should not have happened; just ban the entire EBD system at the end of the season!
#264706
Hey, its their position not mine.

Sorry, should have made it more clear; I wasn't getting at you; I was getting at the absurdity of the FIA; EBD should have been banned before the start of this season or before the start of next!


they did ban it before the start of next season.


Actually, they made rules changes before the start of this season with the express purpose of ending EBD's. The front of the diffuser was completely close, with just a 5cm slot at each end left.
#264724
yeah, it was just a bad joke.

Anyway, I was watching FP3 just now, and one of the commentary guys made an interesting point. He said why can't the FIA just force the teams to use whatever engine modes they used in 2009 (before anyone had EBD's)? Engines are frozen in development anyway, so what's all the fuss about?
#264725
yeah, it was just a bad joke.

Anyway, I was watching FP3 just now, and one of the commentary guys made an interesting point. He said why can't the FIA just force the teams to use whatever engine modes they used in 2009 (before anyone had EBD's)? Engines are frozen in development anyway, so what's all the fuss about?


Spot on. Teams trying to argue they suddenly "need" these extreme overruns for engine reliability, how on earth did they manage back in 2008 and 2009?

And, if they really did need it, then, simply stop pointing the exhaust for an aero advantage and I'm sure the FiA won't have a problem.
#264761
And it just keeps rolling on....
Another emergency meeting before Q.

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Hmmmm. I wonder where the "Entrance 04 Business center" is.


Silverstone? :D
#264766
And it just keeps rolling on....
Another emergency meeting before Q.

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Hmmmm. I wonder where the "Entrance 04 Business center" is.


Silverstone? :D



You can do a little bit better than that... since the pic was taken on an iPhone it would have had a lot of info and the lat/long GPS embedded into it but it's all been scrubbed out.

BTW congratulations Spanky, your 2011 season begins today.
#264776
yeah, it was just a bad joke.

Anyway, I was watching FP3 just now, and one of the commentary guys made an interesting point. He said why can't the FIA just force the teams to use whatever engine modes they used in 2009 (before anyone had EBD's)? Engines are frozen in development anyway, so what's all the fuss about?


Spot on. Teams trying to argue they suddenly "need" these extreme overruns for engine reliability, how on earth did they manage back in 2008 and 2009?

And, if they really did need it, then, simply stop pointing the exhaust for an aero advantage and I'm sure the FiA won't have a problem.


Didn't they always use an overrun? It's just its become so important now, that the aerodynamic effect can no longer be ignored by the FIA, just cut it down.

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They better not bloody scrap it, no one was protesting this back in Valencia, they knew this was coming!

I don't see why the FIA should give a stuff for teams that rely heavily on their overrun if the overrun itself was never meant to be relied on for an aerodynamic effect (and it wasn't). I'll go all the way back to Sauber, they argued that breaking the rules was an accident and didn't give them a performance advantage, they still got disqualified. So by doing that, the FIA stated it wasn't their concern if a team is negatively affected by being penalised for breaking the rules - even if they got away with breaking the rule previously (like Sauber did by passing scrutineering).

Article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 092523.stm

"Those that end up at the front will probably end up happy and those that are disadvantaged won't be, and Ferrari seemed to come out of the meeting more smiling than some others. It all sounds very small but they affect many parts on the car. Some people will luck in and some won't."



:hehe: , But you don't get any points for being nice and helpful Stefano. Maybe start of with the horse whisperer calling the FIA cowards for allowing teams to break the rules.

I don't think at anypoint Horner or Whitmarsh have insisted that the FIA are technically incorrect, in trying to limit the overrun as it is against the regulations. The argument seems to be, well you allowed us before, don't pull the rug under our feet now.

Whitmarsh has kicked off about redbull being allowed 50% off throttle, so Horner rather majestically countered by saying - alright we'll stick to the 10% only for this race, then after we'll go back the way it was in Valencia (i.e. the regulations that Redbull have been dominating this season under). Whitmarsh can't argue with that, as it seems McLaren are closer to redbull with no restrictions on off throttle blowing, than by equal restrictions applying to Mercedes and Renault engines (Ferrari too).

Ferrari on the other hand, seem to be the biggest winners with the limitations on exhaust blowing as they use it the least, so unless they have massive changes in the pipline to optimise the car for it, I don't see why they don't play what I'd say is the most moral card of them all. The massive overruns are against the rules, restrict them. It isn't anyone elses problem that teams will suffer as they were making use of something that was illegal.
#264781
BTW congratulations Spanky, your 2011 season begins today.


Thanks mate, it was a good day. You never know what a race will bring, but, somehow I think you might be right :thumbup:

This was the best news for SF:-
Sector 2 (includes maggots, corpse and beckets)
Vettel - 36.879
Alonso - 36.897
Webber - 37.050
#264798
I could be wrong but apparently all the teams will be having a meeting at 10.30 tomorrow morning to hopefully sort out the whole off throttle gobbledegook...sounds like to me they might go back to they way things we're before Valencia (im probably wrong though) anyway the sooner the blown diffuser saga gets sorted the happier and less confused i will be :)
#264806
The FIA are to drop the ban if all teams are in agreement. Out of the big 'uns I can only see Ferrari complaining. Both Merc and McLaren have suffered and the rule changes do not seem to have impeded Red Bull.

I...sounds like to me they might go back to they way things we're before Valencia (im probably wrong though)....


No you're right, or at least what you are saying is what Christian Horner said earlier today.
#264851
The FiA are just turning their behavior into an even bigger farce. Like pilot they are trying to wash their hands of this by putting it on the teams. Here's a little wake up call for them, "you are the officials and it's your job to enforce the rules".

Next iffy call in an Ashes test match, how about the umpires turn to the players and tell them its up to them to make a unanimous decision?

The FiA should have made a clear decision on this when they say they were first aware of it (before the Australian GP). It should have been a decisive clear call and once made it shouldn't change.

As a side note, I'm personally pleased to see Ferrari staying out of this. They didn't get involved in the Horner/Whitmarsh ruckus and they have said they are happy to return to the Valencia status - well done SF.
#264869
Maybe this is all good in the end, as it is now obvious to all that it's broken. The best way to hide incompetence is through inaction and the FIA just lifted the veil on what little doubt there was left.
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