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[What's Burning?]

Just a few days away.

3/4 of Team Radio Shack is over 35 years old with Chris Horner as their leader looking to win the team classification. Contador is going to be facing a very deep Leopard Trek team with a stable of locomotives to pace the Schleck brothers. An all Russian Katusha team and I'll be pulling for the Garmin-Cervelo boys and HTC-Highroad... well Cavendish mainly to entertain us in all of the sprint finishes.

And yes even an Alpe d'Huez finish in stage 19... looks like it may be an interesting tour.

[acosmichippo]

Is Christian Horner trying to implement Exhaust Blown Diffusers in cycling now?

wouldn't wanna be downwind of that race...

[What's Burning?]

Is Christian Horner trying to implement Exhaust Blown Diffusers in cycling now?

wouldn't wanna be downwind of that race...

Sorry guess I'm caught in the F1 mode and the brain is having a hard time shifting gears! That would be Christopher Horner the cyclist.

[carmonwebber]

Haven't been keeping very close track, but I know Chris Horner has been in good form. It'll be interesting to see if Levi or Kloden becomes their main-man as the tour goes on. Can't wait to see what the Schlecks and their team have for Conti this year, as I'm sure they'd be doing whatever they can to get one back on him. Cav to get the green again probably.

No start in britain this year for the Wimbledon, F1 and TDF trio again?! (F1 out of sync too)

[vlad]

Horner is great, in every sport!
Can't wait fot this to start!

[What's Burning?]

WADA makes the FIA look good.

It's pretty ridiculous that Contador's doping case is still unresolved, and now he's allowed to defend his 2010 TDF title even when it can be taken away from him.

At this point, one man cannot win the tour, but Contador is in very good form, and even though his team has little depth when compared to Leopard Trek, he's still the lead candidate to win.

I just looked at the Radio Shack roster again, and they're got two guys under 30

[FRAFPDD]

Oh they let him off then?

[bud]

I want to see a Specialized Venge McLaren rider take the win, don't care which one!

[What's Burning?]

Oh they let him off then?

The trial isn't until August. If he's found guilty then he's striped of any titles he's gotten since then and will likely see a two year ban from the sport.

[FRAFPDD]

Bump!

So ive just started watching pro-cycling.


Is this not the most confusing sport in the world?


They have the winners trophy (jersey) handed out on day 1, and switched around constantly, always with nobodies until the mountain stages kick in.
They have a green jersey for most points amassed, which essentially is just a different scoring system to the yellow one?
They have a team trial event in which they mark the time on the fifth man?
In the sprint stages ( i dont know if it counts for the mountain stages too, probably does) If the leader crosses the line and the whole pack cross the line in a conga line, if they are all within a second of the man infront with no second plus gaps at any point throughout the field, they ALL get the same time as the first man across the line? Even though the last man might finish 40 seconds behind the leader.


Hoping the regulars can help me out cause the old mans fed up of me asking questions as hes trying to watch

Good sport thoug, even if teams are only working for one man and all the doping that goes on.

[darwin dali]

Haven't watched cycling in ages - got a bit fed up and bored with the shenanigans.
Anyway, applying logic I'd answer as follows:
Team trial: as the term 'team' implies the entire team is timed, hence the last one to cross the finish line determines the team's time.
The same time score is probably to do with safety: can you imagine cyclists fighting for positions/seconds in mass arrivals? Mayhem!

[What's Burning?]

There are actually three races going on... the yellow, for over all lead, the green for the sprinters which as you saw goes by points and then the polka dot which is for king of the mountain, also points based.

In any given TDF, there really only are about 10 or so real contenders for the win. Unless something bizarre happens for the most part they build a team for those contenders. Teams that don't think they've got a contender may focus on other competitions... like the team competition, essentially the team with the overall best time and other teams may just go for one day glory, like a mountain state win or for the odd breakaway stage win.

[FRAFPDD]

There are actually three races going on... the yellow, for over all lead, the green for the sprinters which as you saw goes by points and then the polka dot which is for king of the mountain, also points based.

In any given TDF, there really only are about 10 or so real contenders for the win. Unless something bizarre happens for the most part they build a team for those contenders. Teams that don't think they've got a contender may focus on other competitions... like the team competition, essentially the team with the overall best time and other teams may just go for one day glory, like a mountain state win or for the odd breakaway stage win.

green for the sprinters? considering its based on where you finish not when for the whole tour, surely mountain specialists have just as much chance, if not better to win it, as most of the stages are mountain? Then again sprinters are all about finishing first on their sprint stages and its not as important for mountain riders.....or is it? Cause all the riders start at the same time on mountain stages, and they all try to finish first? To get the best time...... and of course the stage win.

Assuming i havent gone wrong with how it works above, why do you say green is for the sprinters?

[What's Burning?]

There are actually three races going on... the yellow, for over all lead, the green for the sprinters which as you saw goes by points and then the polka dot which is for king of the mountain, also points based.

In any given TDF, there really only are about 10 or so real contenders for the win. Unless something bizarre happens for the most part they build a team for those contenders. Teams that don't think they've got a contender may focus on other competitions... like the team competition, essentially the team with the overall best time and other teams may just go for one day glory, like a mountain state win or for the odd breakaway stage win.

green for the sprinters? considering its based on where you finish not when for the whole tour, surely mountain specialists have just as much chance, if not better to win it, as most of the stages are mountain? Then again sprinters are all about finishing first on their sprint stages and its not as important for mountain riders.....or is it? Cause all the riders start at the same time on mountain stages, and they all try to finish first? To get the best time...... and of course the stage win.

Assuming i havent gone wrong with how it works above, why do you say green is for the sprinters?

It's a points based competition, point are given every stage win, but unless you're consistently at the front of the peloton in a stage finish, you don't get enough of those points to compete. They also have sprints throughout the race sometimes one sometimes two additional sprints with points awarded. So the reason it's for sprinters is that one, a GC contender will want nothing to do with the mayhem at the front trying to get a stage win, where everyone gets the same time anyway, yet a fall can cost them their TDF. Two, it takes an incredible amount of energy to race the tour, people specialize, some are climbers, some are sprinters, some even specialize in time trials and some are all purpose jack of all trades. So it's not as if a general contender can't win a green jersey, but it's highly unlikely... just as it's highly unlikely that a sprinter wins the overall race.

There are tours where a time bonus (and points) are awarded to the first finishers of a stage, this tour that's not happening so again there is nothing to gain for a a GC contender going for a sprint.

[FRAFPDD]

There are actually three races going on... the yellow, for over all lead, the green for the sprinters which as you saw goes by points and then the polka dot which is for king of the mountain, also points based.

In any given TDF, there really only are about 10 or so real contenders for the win. Unless something bizarre happens for the most part they build a team for those contenders. Teams that don't think they've got a contender may focus on other competitions... like the team competition, essentially the team with the overall best time and other teams may just go for one day glory, like a mountain state win or for the odd breakaway stage win.

green for the sprinters? considering its based on where you finish not when for the whole tour, surely mountain specialists have just as much chance, if not better to win it, as most of the stages are mountain? Then again sprinters are all about finishing first on their sprint stages and its not as important for mountain riders.....or is it? Cause all the riders start at the same time on mountain stages, and they all try to finish first? To get the best time...... and of course the stage win.

Assuming i havent gone wrong with how it works above, why do you say green is for the sprinters?

It's a points based competition, point are given every stage win, but unless you're consistently at the front of the peloton in a stage finish, you don't get enough of those points to compete. They also have sprints throughout the race sometimes one sometimes two additional sprints with points awarded. So the reason it's for sprinters is that one, a GC contender will want nothing to do with the mayhem at the front trying to get a stage win, where everyone gets the same time anyway, yet a fall can cost them their TDF. Two, it takes an incredible amount of energy to race the tour, people specialize, some are climbers, some are sprinters, some even specialize in time trials and some are all purpose jack of all trades. So it's not as if a general contender can't win a green jersey, but it's highly unlikely... just as it's highly unlikely that a sprinter wins the overall race.

There are tours where a time bonus (and points) are awarded to the first finishers of a stage, this tour that's not happening so again there is nothing to gain for a a GC contender going for a sprint.

GC? Whats that? Edit General Classification, right. Surely a GC contender will try and win a mountain stage, as thats what theyre best at?

Dont get enough points to compete? For the jersey, or compete full stop? I thought the points went all the way down to the last rider over the line. Is the green jersey not open to everyone at some point in the tour?