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[darwin dali]

furphy

What the hell is a furphy... it sounds dirty.

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[myownalias]

A lot of finger pointing at Ferrari ATM on this issue. Well, a hell of a lot of accusations with bugger all proof, but, hey lets not let the facts get in the way.

Firstly, lets address the EBD furphy. People are complaining about EBDs being banned, showing pictures of old EBD's asking why are they being banned now. Well, just to be clear no EBD's are being banned. EBD's will be used at Silverstone and will be used for the rest of the year. EBD's are legal and that won't change for the whole year.

What is being banned is extreme engine overrun - to a level that has absolutely nothing to do with propelling the car or engine management. Extreme engine overrun from a moving part of the car to create an aero effect - which is specifically banned by article 3.15.

If any team thinks the extreme engine overrun is an FiA manipulation, or that the FiA ruling is wrong they can challenge and overturn the decision. That process is open to them.

How can the FiA's behavior be in any way helping anyone but Red Bull? They are on the record as saying:-
1) they knew about extreme overrun before the first race
2) they always believed it was a breach of the current rules

There is only one team that has benefited from the FiA lack-of-action on extreme overrun and that's Red Bull.

I guess I won't get much support on this view, but at least what I've put down is factually correct

I'm making an appointment to see my doctor... because I agree with everything you wrote...

[spankyham]

furphy

What the hell is a furphy... it sounds dirty.

Yeah, that's why I like it

I guess I won't get much support on this view, but at least what I've put down is factually correct

What kind of Tifosi are you going off spouting facts and such. What about passion?!?!

You want passion? Read my signature and imagine "il volo" belting that out

[darwin dali]

furphy

What the hell is a furphy... it sounds dirty.

Yeah, that's why I like it

I guess I won't get much support on this view, but at least what I've put down is factually correct

What kind of Tifosi are you going off spouting facts and such. What about passion?!?!

You want passion? Read my signature and imagine "il volo" belting that out

Ferrari = Maranello = Northern Italy. You've butchered una Canzone Napoletana (= South) by replacing sole with Ferrari. Dunno, dunno

[bud]

Q&A with the FIA’s Charlie Whiting 25 Jun 2011

In what the Formula One press corps hopes will become a regular occurrence, FIA race director Charlie Whiting gave another of his media briefings at the Valencia Street Circuit on Friday, explaining F1’s governing body’s position on many of the hot topics of the moment. Here are the edited highlights…

Engine map change restrictions

Q: Simply put, what are teams now banned from doing under parc ferme conditions?
Charlie Whiting: The teams are not allowed to make any changes with a computer that they plug in. The drivers are still allowed to change things from the steering wheel [however] the single ECU only supports fine adjustments from the steering wheel.

In very general terms, anything that can be done from the wheel is OK; anything they need to connect a computer for is not.

We are on the verge of issuing a note to the teams to give them a list of things that they can change when they connect their computers but that will be a very limited list.

Q: What will happen if the weather conditions change between qualifying and the race?
CW: We will allow certain changes to be made for ambient conditions. Normally, we only announce a change of climatic conditions if one [session] is dry and one is wet, but we have indicated to the teams that if there is a change in ambient temperature of more than 10¡C between qualifying and the race, we would allow them to compensate for that. But that's all.

Q: What is the goal of implementing this change?
CW: A team can't have a base map in the ECU that is only good for a few laps. If you want to use it, you have to use it for the whole race.

There isn't anything to prevent [a team] from exploiting the use of their exhaust gasses - providing those exhaust gasses are there for the genuine reason of engine combustion.

Q: Will this affect every team equally, or will some suffer a greater penalty?
CW: It is not for us to say whether or not one team will be penalised more than another. If depends how extreme they're going [with their previous map]. I've certainly seen evidence of maps from a number of teams that are ‘extremely' extreme. And it's not confined to one team.

Q: Why do you want to see this stopped?
CW: Because it's illegal.

Q: How big an effect will this have on qualifying lap times?
CW: It isn't something that we concern ourselves with and it's impossible for us to quantify it. However, during discussions I've heard that the most extreme maps may give you half a second a lap, but that would vary from car to car.

Blown diffusers

Q: Why will the off-throttle blown diffusers be banned from Silverstone onwards?
CW: We know exhaust gasses have an influence on the aerodynamic performance of the car and we accept that. The point is that a design should not attempt to use the exhaust for a completely different reason [aerodynamics as a primary, rather than a secondary effect].

Q: What are the new operating conditions with regard to throttle-opening and spark?
CW: We only want to target this one specific issue - what we think is illegal use of maps for aero reasons. We don't want to influence the perfectly legitimate systems on the car - engine braking for example. We're happy for them to use that, but we want to be sure it isn't being abused.

We're saying that if a driver comes off the throttle - zero pedal - then the throttles have got to be [maximum] 10 per cent open at 12,000rpm and [maximum] 20 per cent open at 18,000rpm.

One engine manufacturer is asking for a little bit more - for what appear to be genuine reasons. We have the ability to go back on this particular point, to look at 2009 maps, when [teams] did not have in place the exhausts that they have now. If they needed 28 per cent throttle in order to achieve 0Nm at 18,000rpm back then, then that would appear to be a perfectly reasonable request.

The engines haven't changed: they are homologated engines and identical to the ones we have used from 2007 onwards.

Similarly, we will look at any extreme use of ignition. We will know what the team used to do with regard to fuelling and ignition. If we see a clear imbalance then I think we will suspect it is being done for different reasons [other than delivering torque]. We haven't put clear limits, we haven't put plus or minus 20¡, for example, for a given torque demand. We have just said the set up that you use for fuelling and ignition must be normal for the demanded torque. We are looking for anything abnormal. I think that's the best we can do for the moment.

Q: Does that mean there will not be blanket limits across all makes of engine?
CW: A lot of it depends on engine architecture. For example, we have to be very careful not to disadvantage barrel throttles versus butterfly throttles, because they have a distinctly different way of working. In answer to the question, if it's clear that in 2009 one engine with a butterfly throttle only needed 15 per cent [at zero pedal] but another engine using a barrel throttle needed 20 per cent, we could make a distinction. We don't want to put a figure across the board which will affect one team in a different way to another.

Q: Why will this ban appear at Silverstone? Why not earlier?
CW: Our argument is that there is a strong case to suggest they [blown diffusers] are illegal. Ultimately, the stewards will decide.

We have not had protests yet. I think we got close to a protest in Monaco. I gave the team in question an assurance that we were going to follow this through; we weren't going to give it up. On that basis we haven't had any protests yet, though I have always emphasised to the teams that this option is open to them.

I think everyone is doing the same thing, to some degree, so I think we need to be sensible about this and approach it in a pragmatic way to get the situation under control.

Q: There is a perception that decisions like this are political rather than technical, and damage the image of F1. What is your opinion?
CW: I'm aware of some stories being written, but to be frank with you, I know it's not a political decision. I know it's purely a technical intervention on our side and I feel perfectly comfortable with that.

Q: In recent years both the F-Duct and the double diffuser have been banned, but not until the end of the season. Would it not be simpler to allow the current technology to stay in place until the end of this year?
CW: No, because the double diffuser and the F-Duct were legal. [In those cases] during the course of the season the teams got together with us and we decided they weren't good for F1 and weren't needed, so we wrote laws to outlaw them. But they complied with the rules, which is why they were allowed to stay until the end of the season. They were completely different to the situation we have now.

Most people out there have been suggesting FIA is trying to kerb RedBull spanky, You're the only one I've come across who thinks they are helping them. If what you say is true then why would they want to ban this at all? There has been no protests by teams about it in which the FIA would then HAVE to act, They have instigated this on their own.

All in all there is probably no political reasoning behind this.

But people have complained about RedBulls wings, their Exhaust, whats next on the list when they continue to dominate I wonder

[darwin dali]

But people have complained about RedBulls wings, their Exhaust, whats next on the list when they continue to dominate I wonder

Red Bull Cola on grounds of being cocaine doping of their drivers

[spankyham]

furphy

What the hell is a furphy... it sounds dirty.

Yeah, that's why I like it

I guess I won't get much support on this view, but at least what I've put down is factually correct

What kind of Tifosi are you going off spouting facts and such. What about passion?!?!

You want passion? Read my signature and imagine "il volo" belting that out

Ferrari = Maranello = Northern Italy. You've butchered una Canzone Napoletana (= South) by replacing sole with Ferrari. Dunno, dunno

As I understood it (from my mum - who does happen to be from Northern Italy) this song was really for/about Italian emigrants who missed their country. The point was, no matter where you are "your" sun (Italy) will always be on your face. So, for Tifosi, no need to feel sad if Ferrari aren't winning now, there is always Ferrari (our sun) to brighten us up. Hows that for passion?

But I do like the "il volo" version of the original so much, here it is (not bad for 3 kids all between 16 and 17 years old. Now that's great music!

[spankyham]

Most people out there have been suggesting FIA is trying to kerb RedBull spanky, You're the only one I've come across who thinks they are helping them. If what you say is true then why would they want to ban this at all? There has been no protests by teams about it in which the FIA would then HAVE to act, They have instigated this on their own.

All in all there is probably no political reasoning behind this.

But people have complained about RedBulls wings, their Exhaust, whats next on the list when they continue to dominate I wonder

Your right that the ban itself isn't helping Red Bull, quite the opposite actually. What I was getting at was the FiA deliberately waiting 8 races to act on what they knew was illegal - now that definitely helped Red Bull

Let me put it another way, had Charlie Whiting not banned Ferrari's gurney flap in Barcelona, but, come out and said its illegal and we'll ban it from Monaco - I think you and a multitude of others would have had a little bit to say about that.

[bud]

That was a small detail on the Ferrari wing. I doubt it would have brought an major gains. Cant really compare that to the EBD in which many teams use this. It is not really a RedBull thing. My point still remains why even act 8 races in to help Redbull? it doesnt make sense. Helping RedBull was their motive then why even ban it at all? If another team protested and they were forced to investigate then sure that would explain why they would look at EBDs but that hasn't been the case.

Spanky as a McLaren fan we can give you Ferrari fans some advice, we endured 5 long seasons where Ferrari were dominant and everything seemed to go their way with the FIA. Best thing to do is just look to your own teams fortunes and misfortunes, concentrating on the team to beats fortunes and lack of misfortunes just gets you riled up and angry

[spankyham]

Hey thanks for the pep-up Bud

I've been through far worse times as a Tifosi, so this is no biggy. And, to be fair to myself (always like to do that) I did say that I don't think this is going to make much difference and that it was more likely to be down to incompetence rather than any conspiracy.

There is a positive to going through tough times, and that is you really do enjoy it when you start winning again. Having said that, I do remember how much it hurt watching my all time fave driver never able to win a championship because we just couldn't give him a good enough car - I really hope they make a Senna-like movie about Gilles, it would just be soooooo awesome.

This is one of my favourite pictures of the great GV, (I think if he drove today he'd cop a lot of the stick that gets leveled at Lewis).

[What's Burning?]

Most people out there have been suggesting FIA is trying to kerb RedBull spanky, You're the only one I've come across who thinks they are helping them. If what you say is true then why would they want to ban this at all? There has been no protests by teams about it in which the FIA would then HAVE to act, They have instigated this on their own.

I think at that level of dollars, that little is left to chance and there is likely a reason, an agenda for the FIA to be doing what they're doing, when they're doing it. We mere mortals will likely never really know, but it's unlikely these rule interpretations being enforced now, mid season do indeed have a purpose.

Whether it's because they want to cut off some of Red Bull's wings, or whether they wanted to "help" Red Bull and as it turned out Red Bull didn't need much help... the likeliest reason I can think of it, no one (besides Vlad) is enjoying the F1 racing spectacle this season.

[LewEngBridewell]

no one (besides Vlad) is enjoying the F1 racing spectacle this season.

The racing spectacle has been great this season (Valencia aside). It's the results tables that are demoralising.

Anyway, this has happened many a time with Williams, McLaren and Ferrari all having massively dominant periods. Now its Red Bull's turn. It's motorsport. It won't last forever.

[What's Burning?]

no one (besides Vlad) is enjoying the F1 racing spectacle this season.

The racing spectacle has been great this season (Valencia aside). It's the results tables that are demoralising.

Anyway, this has happened many a time with Williams, McLaren and Ferrari all having massively dominant periods. Now its Red Bull's turn. It's motorsport. It won't last forever.

I meant racing for second place.

But on that note, IMO racing? No... we've seen a lot of DRS overtakes, and a lot of people on fresh rubber blowing by people on worn rubber, but racing there's been some and all of it happening when two equivalent cars are on the same tire strategy. The two most memorable have been the Vettel, Lewis 1/2 where we got to see Vettel really drive the car and defend his position flawlessly and Button, because of the circumstances in the race and the fact that he came from dead last in the field.

[LewEngBridewell]

no one (besides Vlad) is enjoying the F1 racing spectacle this season.

The racing spectacle has been great this season (Valencia aside). It's the results tables that are demoralising.

Anyway, this has happened many a time with Williams, McLaren and Ferrari all having massively dominant periods. Now its Red Bull's turn. It's motorsport. It won't last forever.

I meant racing for second place.

But on that note, IMO racing? No... we've seen a lot of DRS overtakes, and a lot of people on fresh rubber blowing by people on worn rubber, but racing there's been some and all of it happening when two equivalent cars are on the same tire strategy. The two most memorable have been the Vettel, Lewis 1/2 where we got to see Vettel really drive the car and defend his position flawlessly and Button, because of the circumstances in the race and the fact that he came from dead last in the field.

Well I am thankful to DRS and Pirelli for livening up the show. I think it's generally been regarded a success. We all asked for more overtaking, and we got it. And DRS simply helps an overtake, rather than creates one. It's making something more likely to happen that wouldn't have happened in the past decade and a bit. Sometimes, the DRS activation zones have been a bit off, but this will be improved with time and experience.

[darwin dali]

furphy

What the hell is a furphy... it sounds dirty.

Yeah, that's why I like it

I guess I won't get much support on this view, but at least what I've put down is factually correct

What kind of Tifosi are you going off spouting facts and such. What about passion?!?!

You want passion? Read my signature and imagine "il volo" belting that out

Ferrari = Maranello = Northern Italy. You've butchered una Canzone Napoletana (= South) by replacing sole with Ferrari. Dunno, dunno

As I understood it (from my mum - who does happen to be from Northern Italy) this song was really for/about Italian emigrants who missed their country. The point was, no matter where you are "your" sun (Italy) will always be on your face. So, for Tifosi, no need to feel sad if Ferrari aren't winning now, there is always Ferrari (our sun) to brighten us up. Hows that for passion?

But I do like the "il volo" version of the original so much, here it is (not bad for 3 kids all between 16 and 17 years old. Now that's great music!

I was simply playing off the fierce rivalry (and animosity) between northern and southern Italy to yank your chain