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[Stephen]

In my mind it makes little sense to artificially reduce engine size. Surely it would be more interesting to allow F1 teams to explore how to compete with a yearly cap on fuel which reduces each and every year. At the same time allowing the use of renewables including hybrid, V6, V8, V10 even V12 units, turbos, superchargers, gas turbines, anything but nuclear! - whatever they deem to have the best balance of economy and speed. In theory we'd see such an explosion in the development of propulsion technology that the whole planet would benefit!

Come on Bernie!

[myownalias]

This idea was brought up in one of the previous threads about this subject with the exception of the ever decreasing fuel allotment; surely that wouldn't work; we'd end up with 2-stroke engines.

[acosmichippo]

I really don't see anything this open-ended ever working. The teams and engine manufacturers would not be willing to invest the money into R&D required for that. Just look at how much manufacturers complained about L4s being too expensive, and the teams whining about how they've invested too much into EBDs and engine mapping for them to be banned. Seems like they prefer to being told what to do, then identifying and exploiting loopholes.

[texasmr2]

Nothing wrong with 2-stroke engines and they would/could stop all the nonsense about F1 being about the sound .
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[Bubbie]

You know how we could save a lot of fuel? Replace F1 cars with bicycles.

I don't watch F1 for a documentary on how to be green.

[nish2280]

Why is it not viable to just put a cap on horsepower?

Let the manufacturers choose their preferred way of producing that power whether it be a V6 tubro or a V12, either way they will need to produce that level of power while minimizing fuel consumption so that they have less fuel onboard and possibly using new materials to make the engines lighter.

I'm not sure how they would regulate the exact power requirements but i'm sure someone with more knowledge about that will be able to inform me as well as why what i just said would not work at all.

[texasmr2]

Why is it not viable to just put a cap on horsepower?

Let the manufacturers choose their preferred way of producing that power whether it be a V6 tubro or a V12, either way they will need to produce that level of power while minimizing fuel consumption so that they have less fuel onboard and possibly using new materials to make the engines lighter.

I'm not sure how they would regulate the exact power requirements but i'm sure someone with more knowledge about that will be able to inform me as well as why what i just said would not work at all.

I'm just taking a shot here but in my experience any set level of hp can be achieved from any engine configuration albeit a I4 or V12 but the team's are limited on budget. The point I'm trying too make is that producing a V12 compared to a I4 would at minimum double if not triple production cost which would not adhere to a teams budget cap. It is rather simple if you think about it, you double the number of cylinders (regardless of displacement) and you double the manufacturing cost.

What I am personaly curious about is if the engines will be single or twin turbo? Naturally a single setup would save cost and weight (slightly) but will it truelly benefit the V engine? Any V configuration should be actually considered as running two engines (jmo) and a tt setup would be the best approach.

[Stephen]

It is rather simple if you think about it, you double the number of cylinders (regardless of displacement) and you double the manufacturing cost.

Not at all, you're asking fewer cylinders to do more work - to achieve the same power you'll see a significant increase in development costs for a smaller engine.

[texasmr2]

It is rather simple if you think about it, you double the number of cylinders (regardless of displacement) and you double the manufacturing cost.

Not at all, you're asking fewer cylinders to do more work - to achieve the same power you'll see a significant increase in development costs for a smaller engine.

I disagree simply because the TI4 is not something new and I know that from experience. Turbocharging is merely a dance routine between timing/boost/fuel and internal components.

Let me simply it for you ok? "Good morning sir would you like a half dozen donut's or a full dozen"!

[Four mules as one]

Is there any suggestion that they will be changing the fuel to diesel when introducing the new engines?? Doesn't Audi or Peugeot use diesel in their Lemans cars?

[darwin dali]

Is there any suggestion that they will be changing the fuel to diesel when introducing the new engines?? Doesn't Audi or Peugeot use diesel in their Lemans cars?

Nope, no change announced or whispered.

[darwin dali]

This idea was brought up in one of the previous threads about this subject with the exception of the ever decreasing fuel allotment; surely that wouldn't work; we'd end up with 2-stroke engines.

Actually I did suggest just that back when: decrease fossil fuel allotments on a yearly basis while leaving the engine specs as open as possible. Teams would be free to explore alternative fuels such as hydrogen, electric, solar, whatever.

[myownalias]

This idea was brought up in one of the previous threads about this subject with the exception of the ever decreasing fuel allotment; surely that wouldn't work; we'd end up with 2-stroke engines.

Actually I did suggest just that back when: decrease fossil fuel allotments on a yearly basis while leaving the engine specs as open as possible. Teams would be free to explore alternative fuels such as hydrogen, electric, solar, whatever.

Guess I must have missed your post; many have mentioned about having a fixed allotment of fuel per races and can use whatever engine capacity, layout and super/turbocharger units!

[killem2]

I'm suprised they just haven't went back to V12s, but run them like bio-diesels. I think it was the Koenegsegg from sweeden? that was able to pump up to 700BHP from switching to bio fuel or some crap.

[Stephen]

Let me simply it for you ok? "Good morning sir would you like a half dozen donut's or a full dozen"!

I disagree - you're asking half a dozen donuts to contain as much jam as a dozen. It's cheaper to get 850bhp from a V10 than it is from a four cylinder lump. The development costs far outweigh the cost of the components of a larger engine obviously under less stress (without the heat associated with forced induction).