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[darwin dali]

Of course you're completely right on the wheels, they are an aero hindrance, perhaps AN will make them redundant on the RB8.

Or sculpt them into aero-efficient teardrop shape

[What's Burning?]

Of course you're completely right on the wheels, they are an aero hindrance, perhaps AN will make them redundant on the RB8.

Or sculpt them into aero-efficient teardrop shape

But then you introduce a little bit of rolling resistance.

[darwin dali]

Red Bull chief technical officer Adrian Newey expects Mercedes and Ferrari to benefit most from the clampdown on off-throttle exhaust blown diffusers at the British Grand Prix, and admitted RB7's loss of performance will be significant.

All the teams use exhaust gases to enhance the performance of their diffusers and most have developed elaborate engine maps to maintain a constant stream of gases to the rear of the car, even when the driver is off the throttle. At the British Grand Prix the sport's governing body will restrict off-throttle exhaust blowing to 10% of full throttle, which should result in a decrease in performance for all of the front-running teams.

Red Bull initially questioned the decision to make such a significant rule change mid-season and Newey is concerned it could give some of its rivals an advantage.

"We've got a regulation change, let's face it," Newey told BBC Sport. "How that is going to affect us compared to the others is difficult to tell. Lotus Renault, they're the ones who have clearly designed their car around the exhausts, so they I would imagine must be concerned. We designed our car around the exhaust in as much as we had the exhaust solution that you see on the car from very early on in the research of RB7.

"So we've never taken it off before and we don't know how that is going to affect us compared to our direct competitors. I think probably that Ferrari and Mercedes will be less affected than we are, McLaren may also be less affected. We designed and develop the car around it the others fitted it basically for the first race."

The change will lessen the amount of downforce the drivers have off throttle and could change the balance of the car on corner entry as a result. Despite Red Bull testing different engine maps on Sebastain Vettel's car in Friday practice at Valencia, Newey said the full affect of the rule change is still unknown.

"We've done some simulation, but we haven't actually run it on the track yet and we don't know how much it will affect the balance of the car," he said. "That's where simulation tends to fall down as you need a real car going round a real track with a real driver. It's significant, but I don't want to put a number on it because I don't know if that number is bigger or smaller than others."

McLaren's Lewis Hamilton is concerned that his team will be hit hard by the rule change and that he could experience a step back in performance at his home grand prix.

"When you go to Silverstone the desire to win is even greater because it is your home race, and the fans are spectacular," he said. "But we're not fast enough, and with the regulations changing I personally think we're going to make another step backwards. I'm a little bit nervous about it. I think we might be affected more than the two teams ahead of us [Red Bull and Ferrari]. It will be even worse for us."





As I was saying earlier, Ferrari might be the big beneficiary of this rule 'clarification'...
Good times coming for Spanky

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Maurício Gugelmin gives the tifosi a rather indelicate glimpse at his March CG891's underpinnings during the 1989 GP of France:


Notice anything ...ummm ...interesting in the rear diffuser area?

Yes, that is an exhaust-blown diffuser. Twenty-two years ago. How is it this technology was benign for 22 years and suddenly became evil ...at mid-season? Is it only evil now because it is successful?

Anyone care to guess who designed this chassis?

[bud]

As I was saying earlier, Ferrari might be the big beneficiary of this rule 'clarification'...
Good times coming for Spanky

FIArarri days again eh

[texasmr2]

As I was saying earlier, Ferrari might be the big beneficiary of this rule 'clarification'...
Good times coming for Spanky

FIArarri days again eh

Sorry mate I just cannot help laughing. I find it a redundant arguement to constantly bring up the so called FIArarri implication, . The only thing that matters is on track performance and result's and some of us know that benefits emplied do not lead too on track results. Not one single member here is a member of a F1 team but they reply as is they are in an arguementative fashion. Speculation leaves one open for debate of said opinion but we all know how that end's up, proof is in the pudding and this thread.

[PartsaS]

Ferrari International Assistance couldn't just lay back and watch their beloved ones fall behind. I guess I'll be at the side of redbull once again, just like I did at the end of the previous season! would rather see vettel become 2 times than alonso 3...

[vaptin]

With the wheels argument, remember Ferrari's dagger shaped wheel nuts last year? Those were banned this year I think.

The blown diffuser is a loophole sure, but Spanky and the others are both right, either ban it for the start of the season, or after it. Like the F-duct. The only claim the FIA have now, is that they just realised it was illegal, and are banning it instantly, which I don't think is true.

[What's Burning?]

would rather see vettel become 2 times than alonso 3...

I'm relatively certain there's little chance of that happening this year.

[texasmr2]

would rather see vettel become 2 times than alonso 3...

I'm relatively certain there's little chance of that happening this year.

[darwin dali]

Maurício Gugelmin gives the tifosi a rather indelicate glimpse at his March CG891's underpinnings during the 1989 GP of France:


Notice anything ...ummm ...interesting in the rear diffuser area?

Yes, that is an exhaust-blown diffuser. Twenty-two years ago. How is it this technology was benign for 22 years and suddenly became evil ...at mid-season? Is it only evil now because it is successful?

Anyone care to guess who designed this chassis?

The previous iteration (1988) catapulted AN to designer stardom
You're sure it's blown?

[Hammer278]

Ferrari International Assistance couldn't just lay back and watch their beloved ones fall behind. I guess I'll be at the side of redbull once again, just like I did at the end of the previous season! would rather see vettel become 2 times than alonso 3...

[acosmichippo]

I don't have a problem with Vettel winning at all. He clearly deserves it. I'd just like it to be a little closer.

[spankyham]

A lot of finger pointing at Ferrari ATM on this issue. Well, a hell of a lot of accusations with bugger all proof, but, hey lets not let the facts get in the way.

Firstly, lets address the EBD furphy. People are complaining about EBDs being banned, showing pictures of old EBD's asking why are they being banned now. Well, just to be clear no EBD's are being banned. EBD's will be used at Silverstone and will be used for the rest of the year. EBD's are legal and that won't change for the whole year.

What is being banned is extreme engine overrun - to a level that has absolutely nothing to do with propelling the car or engine management. Extreme engine overrun from a moving part of the car to create an aero effect - which is specifically banned by article 3.15.

If any team thinks the extreme engine overrun is an FiA manipulation, or that the FiA ruling is wrong they can challenge and overturn the decision. That process is open to them.

How can the FiA's behavior be in any way helping anyone but Red Bull? They are on the record as saying:-
1) they knew about extreme overrun before the first race
2) they always believed it was a breach of the current rules

There is only one team that has benefited from the FiA lack-of-action on extreme overrun and that's Red Bull.

I guess I won't get much support on this view, but at least what I've put down is factually correct

[What's Burning?]

furphy

What the hell is a furphy... it sounds dirty.

I guess I won't get much support on this view, but at least what I've put down is factually correct

What kind of Tifosi are you going off spouting facts and such. What about passion?!?!