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[acosmichippo]

Red Bull IIRC have had such backing from the moment they took over jaguar.

Their car is not dominant because it has golden paddle-shifts, it has innovation and clever design, money doesnt buy that.

Im not saying Red Bull arent there to stay, id much rather they did and we had three top teams, infact Mercedes too and have four.

But they arent going to be that dominant in any relative terms much longer. The Williams of 92 and 93 was dominant,then it dropped off until 96-97 then it was nowhere.

Am i supposed to accept that Red Bull are going to dominate like they are for the next 5/6 years in a row, cause thats the absurd impression im getting from this apocalyptic talk going on, its utter nonsense.

idunno. Yes, red bull has had money since the beginning. But they've been steadily improving each year. Takes a while to build a good organization. Money doesn't buy innovation, but it does buy the guys that tend to do the innovating.

And williams took a dive after '93 because of the ban on electronic driver aids. There's nothing that radical going on at the moment. Maybe the engine change in 2014 as others have mentioned, but that will affect all teams.

So I wouldn't be surprised if they continue the trend they've established at least until 2014.

[Big Azza]

Perhaps we could see Vettel win one more with Red Bull and then head off to Ferrari to do a Schumi and work the team back to challenging for titles.... I don't think Vettel will leave unless he knows he can win elsewhere. But I think after winning for a while he will be looking for new challenges, and Ferrari or McLaren might hold the key. What we do know is that Vettel will race for Red Bull again in 2012, and then we'll see where he goes after that... (he's contracted until 2014, but Ferrari might be willing to utilize his buy-out clause)

I don't think Vettel will be one to "take a holiday" for the final weeks if he wins the title. He's the type who with his steely determination will keep winning if he can. The only race I don't think he is going to win is Monza this year. Vettel's qualifying is what wins races for him. That will always be his typical style - qualify well, and then aim to control the race from there - he's been doing that since his junior days. I think in 10 years we will look at the records book and see Vettel's name all over the qualifying records, but whether that translates into race wins we will see. I'm currently very satisfied with Vettel's performances - and I'm now looking forward to the next up-and-coming.

Unfortunately, I cannot see another World Champion in the field, other than the ones already there. I know Rosberg's name is thrown around a lot but I just don't see it happening. Currently the top teams have well-established drivers, and if Rosberg moved there I don't think he could be faster than a Hamilton, Alonso, or Vettel.

Di Resta might claim to have beaten Vettel once, but the season before was Vettel's rookie season and he absolutely dominated Di Resta. Vettel can be excused for his slip-up in '06 because he was focusing primarily on testing in Formula One and trying to earn a drive via that avenue. My hopes are now in our next crop. Ricciardo perhaps, but I see Vergne is a lot more successful than Ricciardo. It'll be good to see what other rookies are coming through and who will be the "next Vettel." In the meantime, we have an exciting decade in Formula One with Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel and Button. I think we might be reliving the hey-day of the 80s era.

[Peng]

Vettel can be excused for his slip-up in '06 because he was focusing primarily on testing in Formula One and trying to earn a drive via that avenue.

Considering he only got called up over halfway through the formula 3 season i find it hard to believe he was loosing to Di Resta because of that.

I can understand why his performance "may" have dropped off after he began testing but Di Resta was beating him before that happened and remember they were in the same car.

Not sure if Di Resta could do that now as Vettel has improved a hell of alot but giving stupid excuses like that for Vettel just devalues Di Resta's achievement of winning Formula 3 that season, he won it because he was the better driver at the time not because Vettel was busy elsewhere.

[Big Azza]

Vettel can be excused for his slip-up in '06 because he was focusing primarily on testing in Formula One and trying to earn a drive via that avenue.

Considering he only got called up over halfway through the formula 3 season i find it hard to believe he was loosing to Di Resta because of that.

I can understand why his performance "may" have dropped off after he began testing but Di Resta was beating him before that happened and remember they were in the same car.

Not sure if Di Resta could do that now as Vettel has improved a hell of alot but giving stupid excuses like that for Vettel just devalues Di Resta's achievement of winning Formula 3 that season, he won it because he was the better driver at the time not because Vettel was busy elsewhere.

Fair enough, point taken. I've only said it because Wikipedia said it.

[F1er]

Dominant cars don't become dominant without having a masterful driver. Webber certainly isn't experiencing the same success, so it is entirely plausible that no other driver in F1 might have given Newey the skill sets and the feedback he needed as does Vettel to so perfectly refine his creation. It's equally as plausible that Vettel would provide the same developmental capabilities to Ferrari or Merc or Macca and he would find himself in this self-same position had he got a seat with any of them.

So Schumacher just became sh!t in 05 after winning 13 races in 04?? Using your logic

[Big Azza]

Dominant cars don't become dominant without having a masterful driver. Webber certainly isn't experiencing the same success, so it is entirely plausible that no other driver in F1 might have given Newey the skill sets and the feedback he needed as does Vettel to so perfectly refine his creation. It's equally as plausible that Vettel would provide the same developmental capabilities to Ferrari or Merc or Macca and he would find himself in this self-same position had he got a seat with any of them.

So Schumacher just became sh!t in 05 after winning 13 races in 04?? Using your logic

What did Rubens do?

[myownalias]

It's not over until the fat lady sings... it's not over until it's mathematically impossible; it's possible that Vettel could have three DNF's before the season is out; then suddenly everyone is back in it. But that is unlikely at this stage; he can sit out the next three rounds and still be in the lead, a very ominous position for the other leading drivers!

[Hammer278]

If Vettel didn't exist, we'd have 4 WDC contenders. 2011 is about the race for 2nd...

[McLaren]

Also i kinda feel sorry towards Vettel he has alot of haters now because of him winning all the time...like somone said before...its looking like it might be like the 'Schumacher days' god i hope not

After Vettel's unexpected win in Monza, this led for the media to dub him the "Baby Schumi", "New Schumacher", but Vettel plays down the comparison stating he wanted to be the "New Vettel". He was not just dubbed for his nationality but also because of his driving style, his concentration and the hands-on role he plays behind the scenes with his team of engineers. One difference is that Schumacher does not name his car but Vettel does, Julie (2008), Kate, Kate's Dirty Sister (2009), Luscious Liz, Randy Mandy (2010) and Kinky Kylie (2011).

Nevertheless, the similarities are marked. Like Schumacher, Vettel grew up in a small town with an everyday background—Schumacher's father a bricklayer and Vettel's a carpenter. Both had their first taste of racing at the Kerpen karting track near Cologne, not far from the Nürburgring. Vettel began driving in his garden lapping the garden many times, not even stopping to eat or shower, before he could legally take to the roads, and says his passion for cars was nurtured by watching Schumacher compete. He did not know that he would actually get to race his hero.

Both Schumacher and Vettel impressed in their debut races, both of which took place in the middle of a Formula One season. Neither would ever drive for their debut teams again. Instead, both immediately joined with non-manufacturer teams based upon selling non-automobile related products. Approximately a year after joining their new teams, as underdogs they would stun the Formula One world by winning races in cars few believed capable of winning. In their third full Formula One season and both driving cars numbered 5, both won their first World Drivers' Championship, at which point both drivers had 10 Grand Prix wins on their records. Vettel became the youngest ever driver to win the World Drivers' Championship, while Schumacher, by a little over a week, only narrowly missed out on achieving the very same feat. Both drivers won their non-manufacturer teams' maiden World Drivers' Championship as well as World Constructors' Championship.

After winning his first championship in 2010, and being hailed as the 'Next Schumacher', Vettel has stated he does not want to aim for Schumacher's record after learning how hard it was to get one championship under his belt, though he would like to win more.

and both won championships in obscenely dominant cars.

Anyone listen to the Radio 5 live coverage today? I forget the young British Driver's name, it will come to me soon, he was saying on air that Vettel has started his career in a very dominant car, so it will be easy for him to re-write the record books.

I guess every now and again we get a special world championship, where the car wasn't the most dominant and the driver made the difference. Not many have had those.

They said the same about Hamilton, the very same about Hamilton, and hes in a far more likely team to give him a shot at schumachers records, .

I wouldn't be so sure about that,red bull after all have the biggest budget in F1,so surely they are the most likely to continue success.Yes McLaren have the name thats been about longer ,but money talks these days.Probably the reason why Williams are no longer a major player.

Renault had backing in 05/06 substantial, they went nowhere afterwards.

Red Bull IIRC have had such backing from the moment they took over jaguar.

Their car is not dominant because it has golden paddle-shifts, it has innovation and clever design, money doesnt buy that.

Im not saying Red Bull arent there to stay, id much rather they did and we had three top teams, infact Mercedes too and have four.

But they arent going to be that dominant in any relative terms much longer. The Williams of 92 and 93 was dominant,then it dropped off until 96-97 then it was nowhere.

Am i supposed to accept that Red Bull are going to dominate like they are for the next 5/6 years in a row, cause thats the absurd impression im getting from this apocalyptic talk going on, its utter nonsense.

Well its money that got them Adrian Newey ,which got them a great design.

[acosmichippo]

It's not over until the fat lady sings... it's not over until it's mathematically impossible; it's possible that Vettel could have three DNF's before the season is out; then suddenly everyone is back in it. But that is unlikely at this stage; he can sit out the next three rounds and still be in the lead, a very ominous position for the other leading drivers!

It really feels like the 77-point gap should be even bigger since everyone else is sharing all the second places and two first places. Makes you wish that just ONE of the other drivers had those two wins and the rest of the second places to himself. Then the gap to Vettel would only be 28 points. Oh well. Can't have everything.

[F1loverr]

It really had become the Vettel show these days. Boring. I do think the championship is over, its pretty much just waiting out the rest of the season to see him win it.

Although I do enjoy hearing his little victory speeches as he crosses the line. Did anyone else hear his "yabba-dabba-do" a few races ago?

[What's Burning?]

Did anyone else hear his "yabba-dabba-do" a few races ago?

I do believe it was preceded by a "Ringa Dingy Ding Ding Ding Ding"

[Hammer278]

I find it annoying...dont ask why. I dont have a problem with his famous 'finger' as a few here do, but his speeches in the car just irkes me.

I miss the 'cool' winners....DC and his burnouts after victories, Kimi and his donuts, JPM and his burgers...

I miss the late 90's. Mika, Michael (the original), DC, Jacques, Frentzen, Alesi, JPM, Ralf.......*Emo mood activated*

[geetface9]

I dont think Vettels got any haters at all actually.

Especially as i know none on here, and we've got all sorts.

How can you dislike him?

I guess you haven't seen any of my posts in the last year

[killem2]

I'm really suprised by these comments from alonzo and lewis. Vettel deserves the win if you are just going to throw in the towel. We haven't even gotten to the really good tracks yet. Silverstone, monza, suzuka, hell I'm really REALLY looking forward to a DRY korean GP. f***ing quitters. Makes me sick. Notice you don't hear jensen talking this bullcrap. I really like lewis, but more and more, I am really starting to become a fan of button. He's a nice guy, he doesn't say stupid s*** at the end of races, he literally keeps his cool ten times better, and he talks to his fans before races. (on the grid with martin I mean).

I'm really sadden to hear lewis talk like this. I mean if you really look at it, the only difference between this season and 2010 is, vettel has gotten his points in the beginning of the season. But really was anyone that suprised? If you look at 2010, if he had not had reliability issues in all those races he got a DNF in, or went back 2-3 spots because of, he'd be dominating just as hard.