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[LewEngBridewell]

I was expecting this after the race today

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 921513.stm

Sebastian Vettel's rivals have admitted defeat in the race for this year's title following the Red Bull driver's sixth win of the season in Valencia.

German Vettel extended his championship lead to 77 points after eight rounds with his lights-to-flag victory.

And despite there being 11 races left in the calendar, Lewis Hamilton said: "It's finished really. In the sense of the title it's almost over already."

"The championship is not in our calculations," added Fernando Alonso.

"If anyone thinks we can win the championship being eight-tenths of a second behind [Red Bull] they don't understand Formula 1."

[darwin dali]

Ok, who do we all think may win the 2012 championship?
I think SV could well get the hattrick...

[vlad]

I think the same!

[FRAFPDD]

Im waiting for the results of silverstone before i pass judgement.

[LewEngBridewell]

Ok, who do we all think may win the 2012 championship?
I think SV could well get the hattrick...

Mind you, as a McLaren fan, I'd rather it be Red Bull that are dominant, rather than Ferrari.

[deMuRe]

Adrian Newey strikes again

Amazing designer... Top bloke too, spoke to him at the Goodward Revival about 5 years ago. I'm glad hes doing what he wanted to do with the old Jaguar team, before McLaren stopped him from switching...

[Ri21]

*yawns* ill wait and see after the next race to see how the rest of the season is going to go...meh....i have a feeling it isnt going to go in the direction i want it too...i dont dislike Vettel infact i was happy to see him win the championship last year...its just sooo boring watching the same guy dominate qualifying and then not even be hasseled during racing (except for what happend in Canada) is a tight competition too much to ask for?!?!

Also i kinda feel sorry towards Vettel he has alot of haters now because of him winning all the time...like somone said before...its looking like it might be like the 'Schumacher days' god i hope not

Anyway...onwards and upwards i say (although not for Redbull a few DNF wouldnt be too bad)

[darwin dali]

Also i kinda feel sorry towards Vettel he has alot of haters now because of him winning all the time...like somone said before...its looking like it might be like the 'Schumacher days' god i hope not

After Vettel's unexpected win in Monza, this led for the media to dub him the "Baby Schumi", "New Schumacher", but Vettel plays down the comparison stating he wanted to be the "New Vettel". He was not just dubbed for his nationality but also because of his driving style, his concentration and the hands-on role he plays behind the scenes with his team of engineers. One difference is that Schumacher does not name his car but Vettel does, Julie (2008), Kate, Kate's Dirty Sister (2009), Luscious Liz, Randy Mandy (2010) and Kinky Kylie (2011).

Nevertheless, the similarities are marked. Like Schumacher, Vettel grew up in a small town with an everyday background—Schumacher's father a bricklayer and Vettel's a carpenter. Both had their first taste of racing at the Kerpen karting track near Cologne, not far from the Nürburgring. Vettel began driving in his garden lapping the garden many times, not even stopping to eat or shower, before he could legally take to the roads, and says his passion for cars was nurtured by watching Schumacher compete. He did not know that he would actually get to race his hero.

Both Schumacher and Vettel impressed in their debut races, both of which took place in the middle of a Formula One season. Neither would ever drive for their debut teams again. Instead, both immediately joined with non-manufacturer teams based upon selling non-automobile related products. Approximately a year after joining their new teams, as underdogs they would stun the Formula One world by winning races in cars few believed capable of winning. In their third full Formula One season and both driving cars numbered 5, both won their first World Drivers' Championship, at which point both drivers had 10 Grand Prix wins on their records. Vettel became the youngest ever driver to win the World Drivers' Championship, while Schumacher, by a little over a week, only narrowly missed out on achieving the very same feat. Both drivers won their non-manufacturer teams' maiden World Drivers' Championship as well as World Constructors' Championship.

After winning his first championship in 2010, and being hailed as the 'Next Schumacher', Vettel has stated he does not want to aim for Schumacher's record after learning how hard it was to get one championship under his belt, though he would like to win more.

[Ri21]

Also i kinda feel sorry towards Vettel he has alot of haters now because of him winning all the time...like somone said before...its looking like it might be like the 'Schumacher days' god i hope not

After Vettel's unexpected win in Monza, this led for the media to dub him the "Baby Schumi", "New Schumacher", but Vettel plays down the comparison stating he wanted to be the "New Vettel". He was not just dubbed for his nationality but also because of his driving style, his concentration and the hands-on role he plays behind the scenes with his team of engineers. One difference is that Schumacher does not name his car but Vettel does, Julie (2008), Kate, Kate's Dirty Sister (2009), Luscious Liz, Randy Mandy (2010) and Kinky Kylie (2011).

Nevertheless, the similarities are marked. Like Schumacher, Vettel grew up in a small town with an everyday background—Schumacher's father a bricklayer and Vettel's a carpenter. Both had their first taste of racing at the Kerpen karting track near Cologne, not far from the Nürburgring. Vettel began driving in his garden lapping the garden many times, not even stopping to eat or shower, before he could legally take to the roads, and says his passion for cars was nurtured by watching Schumacher compete. He did not know that he would actually get to race his hero.

Both Schumacher and Vettel impressed in their debut races, both of which took place in the middle of a Formula One season. Neither would ever drive for their debut teams again. Instead, both immediately joined with non-manufacturer teams based upon selling non-automobile related products. Approximately a year after joining their new teams, as underdogs they would stun the Formula One world by winning races in cars few believed capable of winning. In their third full Formula One season and both driving cars numbered 5, both won their first World Drivers' Championship, at which point both drivers had 10 Grand Prix wins on their records. Vettel became the youngest ever driver to win the World Drivers' Championship, while Schumacher, by a little over a week, only narrowly missed out on achieving the very same feat. Both drivers won their non-manufacturer teams' maiden World Drivers' Championship as well as World Constructors' Championship.

After winning his first championship in 2010, and being hailed as the 'Next Schumacher', Vettel has stated he does not want to aim for Schumacher's record after learning how hard it was to get one championship under his belt, though he would like to win more.

oh i dare say there are going to be more...

[FRAFPDD]

Also i kinda feel sorry towards Vettel he has alot of haters now because of him winning all the time...like somone said before...its looking like it might be like the 'Schumacher days' god i hope not

After Vettel's unexpected win in Monza, this led for the media to dub him the "Baby Schumi", "New Schumacher", but Vettel plays down the comparison stating he wanted to be the "New Vettel". He was not just dubbed for his nationality but also because of his driving style, his concentration and the hands-on role he plays behind the scenes with his team of engineers. One difference is that Schumacher does not name his car but Vettel does, Julie (2008), Kate, Kate's Dirty Sister (2009), Luscious Liz, Randy Mandy (2010) and Kinky Kylie (2011).

Nevertheless, the similarities are marked. Like Schumacher, Vettel grew up in a small town with an everyday background—Schumacher's father a bricklayer and Vettel's a carpenter. Both had their first taste of racing at the Kerpen karting track near Cologne, not far from the Nürburgring. Vettel began driving in his garden lapping the garden many times, not even stopping to eat or shower, before he could legally take to the roads, and says his passion for cars was nurtured by watching Schumacher compete. He did not know that he would actually get to race his hero.

Both Schumacher and Vettel impressed in their debut races, both of which took place in the middle of a Formula One season. Neither would ever drive for their debut teams again. Instead, both immediately joined with non-manufacturer teams based upon selling non-automobile related products. Approximately a year after joining their new teams, as underdogs they would stun the Formula One world by winning races in cars few believed capable of winning. In their third full Formula One season and both driving cars numbered 5, both won their first World Drivers' Championship, at which point both drivers had 10 Grand Prix wins on their records. Vettel became the youngest ever driver to win the World Drivers' Championship, while Schumacher, by a little over a week, only narrowly missed out on achieving the very same feat. Both drivers won their non-manufacturer teams' maiden World Drivers' Championship as well as World Constructors' Championship.

After winning his first championship in 2010, and being hailed as the 'Next Schumacher', Vettel has stated he does not want to aim for Schumacher's record after learning how hard it was to get one championship under his belt, though he would like to win more.

and both won championships in obscenely dominant cars.

[Denthúl]

and both won championships in obscenely dominant cars.

2011 isn't over yet.

[FRAFPDD]

I dont think Vettels got any haters at all actually.

Especially as i know none on here, and we've got all sorts.

How can you dislike him?


His fans sometimes get a bit annoying but hey, why not, id roll around in his dominance like a pig in s*it if Hamilton was winning all these things.

Vettels rough time will come like every other drivers in the history of the sport. Even Schumacher had rough times (see 1996-2000)

[deMuRe]

Also i kinda feel sorry towards Vettel he has alot of haters now because of him winning all the time...like somone said before...its looking like it might be like the 'Schumacher days' god i hope not

After Vettel's unexpected win in Monza, this led for the media to dub him the "Baby Schumi", "New Schumacher", but Vettel plays down the comparison stating he wanted to be the "New Vettel". He was not just dubbed for his nationality but also because of his driving style, his concentration and the hands-on role he plays behind the scenes with his team of engineers. One difference is that Schumacher does not name his car but Vettel does, Julie (2008), Kate, Kate's Dirty Sister (2009), Luscious Liz, Randy Mandy (2010) and Kinky Kylie (2011).

Nevertheless, the similarities are marked. Like Schumacher, Vettel grew up in a small town with an everyday background—Schumacher's father a bricklayer and Vettel's a carpenter. Both had their first taste of racing at the Kerpen karting track near Cologne, not far from the Nürburgring. Vettel began driving in his garden lapping the garden many times, not even stopping to eat or shower, before he could legally take to the roads, and says his passion for cars was nurtured by watching Schumacher compete. He did not know that he would actually get to race his hero.

Both Schumacher and Vettel impressed in their debut races, both of which took place in the middle of a Formula One season. Neither would ever drive for their debut teams again. Instead, both immediately joined with non-manufacturer teams based upon selling non-automobile related products. Approximately a year after joining their new teams, as underdogs they would stun the Formula One world by winning races in cars few believed capable of winning. In their third full Formula One season and both driving cars numbered 5, both won their first World Drivers' Championship, at which point both drivers had 10 Grand Prix wins on their records. Vettel became the youngest ever driver to win the World Drivers' Championship, while Schumacher, by a little over a week, only narrowly missed out on achieving the very same feat. Both drivers won their non-manufacturer teams' maiden World Drivers' Championship as well as World Constructors' Championship.

After winning his first championship in 2010, and being hailed as the 'Next Schumacher', Vettel has stated he does not want to aim for Schumacher's record after learning how hard it was to get one championship under his belt, though he would like to win more.

and both won championships in obscenely dominant cars.

Anyone listen to the Radio 5 live coverage today? I forget the young British Driver's name, it will come to me soon, he was saying on air that Vettel has started his career in a very dominant car, so it will be easy for him to re-write the record books.

I guess every now and again we get a special world championship, where the car wasn't the most dominant and the driver made the difference. Not many have had those.

[FRAFPDD]

Also i kinda feel sorry towards Vettel he has alot of haters now because of him winning all the time...like somone said before...its looking like it might be like the 'Schumacher days' god i hope not

After Vettel's unexpected win in Monza, this led for the media to dub him the "Baby Schumi", "New Schumacher", but Vettel plays down the comparison stating he wanted to be the "New Vettel". He was not just dubbed for his nationality but also because of his driving style, his concentration and the hands-on role he plays behind the scenes with his team of engineers. One difference is that Schumacher does not name his car but Vettel does, Julie (2008), Kate, Kate's Dirty Sister (2009), Luscious Liz, Randy Mandy (2010) and Kinky Kylie (2011).

Nevertheless, the similarities are marked. Like Schumacher, Vettel grew up in a small town with an everyday background—Schumacher's father a bricklayer and Vettel's a carpenter. Both had their first taste of racing at the Kerpen karting track near Cologne, not far from the Nürburgring. Vettel began driving in his garden lapping the garden many times, not even stopping to eat or shower, before he could legally take to the roads, and says his passion for cars was nurtured by watching Schumacher compete. He did not know that he would actually get to race his hero.

Both Schumacher and Vettel impressed in their debut races, both of which took place in the middle of a Formula One season. Neither would ever drive for their debut teams again. Instead, both immediately joined with non-manufacturer teams based upon selling non-automobile related products. Approximately a year after joining their new teams, as underdogs they would stun the Formula One world by winning races in cars few believed capable of winning. In their third full Formula One season and both driving cars numbered 5, both won their first World Drivers' Championship, at which point both drivers had 10 Grand Prix wins on their records. Vettel became the youngest ever driver to win the World Drivers' Championship, while Schumacher, by a little over a week, only narrowly missed out on achieving the very same feat. Both drivers won their non-manufacturer teams' maiden World Drivers' Championship as well as World Constructors' Championship.

After winning his first championship in 2010, and being hailed as the 'Next Schumacher', Vettel has stated he does not want to aim for Schumacher's record after learning how hard it was to get one championship under his belt, though he would like to win more.

and both won championships in obscenely dominant cars.

Anyone listen to the Radio 5 live coverage today? I forget the young British Driver's name, it will come to me soon, he was saying on air that Vettel has started his career in a very dominant car, so it will be easy for him to re-write the record books.

I guess every now and again we get a special world championship, where the car wasn't the most dominant and the driver made the difference. Not many have had those.

They said the same about Hamilton, the very same about Hamilton, and hes in a far more likely team to give him a shot at schumachers records, especially as theyll almost certainly never get rid of him should he choose to stay, and then if he goes, Ferrari will want him when Alonso isnt there, but he won in his second year and by one point lost his first year, and since then?.....Hmmmmmmm

If you think Vettels going to be a 7 time world champion based on the dominance of his car for two seasons now, (and i dont mean you demure im just putting it out there) then you dont know much about F1, F1 always changes the champion, the best ever run of titles was 5 years and that only happened once, before that? three consecutive years was the record and that only happened once. Red Bulls dominace will not last forever, and when Vettel is at Ferrari or Mclaren, he will not only have to fight other teams top class drivers to win, he'll have a bloody top flight teammate too.

Saying it will be "easy" to rewrite the record books is the most stupid thing ever, hes obviously talking purely word title terms and id bet my life, my actual life, Vettel will not win 8 titles (as itd need to be 8 to rewrite, right?) he wont win 7.....


As for your last part, Raikonnen won a championship in a car that wasnt the best.
Hamilton won a championship in a car that wasnt the best.


Thats two that spring to mind in the last 5 years. Great driver will win championships in cars that arent quite (granted theyre capable and close) the best.

[Ri21]

Also i kinda feel sorry towards Vettel he has alot of haters now because of him winning all the time...like somone said before...its looking like it might be like the 'Schumacher days' god i hope not

After Vettel's unexpected win in Monza, this led for the media to dub him the "Baby Schumi", "New Schumacher", but Vettel plays down the comparison stating he wanted to be the "New Vettel". He was not just dubbed for his nationality but also because of his driving style, his concentration and the hands-on role he plays behind the scenes with his team of engineers. One difference is that Schumacher does not name his car but Vettel does, Julie (2008), Kate, Kate's Dirty Sister (2009), Luscious Liz, Randy Mandy (2010) and Kinky Kylie (2011).

Nevertheless, the similarities are marked. Like Schumacher, Vettel grew up in a small town with an everyday background—Schumacher's father a bricklayer and Vettel's a carpenter. Both had their first taste of racing at the Kerpen karting track near Cologne, not far from the Nürburgring. Vettel began driving in his garden lapping the garden many times, not even stopping to eat or shower, before he could legally take to the roads, and says his passion for cars was nurtured by watching Schumacher compete. He did not know that he would actually get to race his hero.

Both Schumacher and Vettel impressed in their debut races, both of which took place in the middle of a Formula One season. Neither would ever drive for their debut teams again. Instead, both immediately joined with non-manufacturer teams based upon selling non-automobile related products. Approximately a year after joining their new teams, as underdogs they would stun the Formula One world by winning races in cars few believed capable of winning. In their third full Formula One season and both driving cars numbered 5, both won their first World Drivers' Championship, at which point both drivers had 10 Grand Prix wins on their records. Vettel became the youngest ever driver to win the World Drivers' Championship, while Schumacher, by a little over a week, only narrowly missed out on achieving the very same feat. Both drivers won their non-manufacturer teams' maiden World Drivers' Championship as well as World Constructors' Championship.

After winning his first championship in 2010, and being hailed as the 'Next Schumacher', Vettel has stated he does not want to aim for Schumacher's record after learning how hard it was to get one championship under his belt, though he would like to win more.

and both won championships in obscenely dominant cars.

Anyone listen to the Radio 5 live coverage today? I forget the young British Driver's name, it will come to me soon, he was saying on air that Vettel has started his career in a very dominant car, so it will be easy for him to re-write the record books.

I guess every now and again we get a special world championship, where the car wasn't the most dominant and the driver made the difference. Not many have had those.

They said the same about Hamilton, the very same about Hamilton, and hes in a far more likely team to give him a shot at schumachers records, especially as theyll almost certainly never get rid of him should he choose to stay, and then if he goes, Ferrari will want him when Alonso isnt there, but he won in his second year and by one point lost his first year, and since then?.....Hmmmmmmm

If you think Vettels going to be a 7 time world champion based on the dominance of his car for two seasons now, (and i dont mean you demure im just putting it out there) then you dont know much about F1, F1 always changes the champion, the best ever run of titles was 5 years and that only happened once, before that? three consecutive years was the record and that only happened once. Red Bulls dominace will not last forever, and when Vettel is at Ferrari or Mclaren, he will not only have to fight other teams top class drivers to win, he'll have a bloody top flight teammate too.

Saying it will be "easy" to rewrite the record books is the most stupid thing ever, hes obviously talking purely word title terms and id bet my life, my actual life, Vettel will not win 8 titles (as itd need to be 8 to rewrite, right?) he wont win 7.....


As for your last part, Raikonnen won a championship in a car that wasnt the best.
Hamilton won a championship in a car that wasnt the best.


Thats two that spring to mind in the last 5 years. Great driver will win championships in cars that arent quite (granted theyre capable and close) the best.

i hope you dont mean me either anyway....i just prefer it when the championship is close (like most probably everbody does) its more exciting....but there are still plenty of races to go....and who knows what could/will happen