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[MattMK45]

Now I know we have been through this before, but there are new compromises being made in order to pass these engines.

Here is the BBC F1 article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 878359.stm

So the new turbo engines are being delayed till 2014 and there is now word that the engines could be 6 cylinders rather than 4.

Personally I think that if the calendar was managed in a better way, there would be far less airmiles and much more fuel and money saved supposed to the fuel saved by the new engines. So in that aspect, tinkering with the calendar would make much more of a difference rather than the new engines being introduced.

Even if the turbo engines have 6 cylinders, the power will supposedly remain the same.

Discuss...

[LewEngBridewell]

Ferrari will be annoyed, but Renault might be finally persuaded to commit long-term................

[texasmr2]

Atleast there is extensive V6 format's/data/etc etc too fall back on. I just wish the daym powers that be would makeup their mind and stick to a game plan.

[LewEngBridewell]

Atleast there is extensive V6 format's/data/etc etc too fall back on. I just wish the daym powers that be would makeup their mind and stick to a game plan.

Ohh, if only..................

[myownalias]

Step aside Jean Todt and hand over control to FOTA! The FIA have backed down a number of times since Jean Todt took over presidency. I don't buy the excuse that the development time was too short; if the likes of Austin are expected to complete a whole Grand Prix circuit in the same time frame; these huge car makers should be able to churn out a L4 Turbo in the same time frame. The FIA has become a complete joke, stop creating rules and standards only to give in six to twelve months later to the teams...

[MattMK45]

My problem with the new engines is that there will be limited development for the turbo engines to create a level playing field. This means that power will barely increase or maybe even decrease. This also means that we are going to be stuck with V8 engines that are stuck in a development freeze until the new engines come in. Surely it would be cheaper to develop the v8 engines rather than start from the ground up making turbos!

[myownalias]

Surely it would be cheaper to develop the v8 engines rather than start from the ground up making turbos!

The V6 Turbo formula is not new; we had V6 Turbos back in the 80s so there is already a starting base although those 80s turbo engines could produce 1,500hp in qualifying trim!

[What's Burning?]

Surely it would be cheaper to develop the v8 engines rather than start from the ground up making turbos!

The V6 Turbo formula is not new; we had V6 Turbos back in the 80s so there is already a starting base although those 80s turbo engines could produce 1,500hp in qualifying trim!

Could you imagine going back there with a quarter century advancement in technology like we have today?

[MattMK45]

Surely it would be cheaper to develop the v8 engines rather than start from the ground up making turbos!

The V6 Turbo formula is not new; we had V6 Turbos back in the 80s so there is already a starting base although those 80s turbo engines could produce 1,500hp in qualifying trim!

Could you imagine going back there with a quarter century advancement in technology like we have today?

It would be insane! This is exactly what I am getting at! It was proven 25 years ago that engineers made engines with crazy horse power output figures. Nowadays we would be able to engineer engines with even more power, but even more sustainable and reliable. This annoys me because we are more than capable of designing much more powerful engines, but we are being restrained and that is not what F1 stands for (On the technical side anyway).

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

In the end, it makes zero difference. Either engine is just a step toward the same destination:



The FIA needs not to be in the business of dictating engine design. Or of trying to rehabilitate F1's image.

[What's Burning?]

In the end, it makes zero difference. Either engine is just a step toward the same destination:



The FIA needs not to be in the business of dictating engine design. Or of trying to rehabilitate F1's image.

I would be a spectator if road goes 10% grade down for a mile and a half!

[F1er]

What's next? Third cars? Unlimited testing?

[MattMK45]

I'm just wondering how much further can you take those 2.4 V8s in terms of max power and max revs?

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Now Bernie has thrown a spanner in the works, supposedly sending a letter to the FIA noting that the proposed engine formula was never voted on in accordance with the Concorde Agreement, something that was strongly hinted at in a Pit Pass article two months ago.

[f1usa]

Step aside Jean Todt and hand over control to FOTA! The FIA have backed down a number of times since Jean Todt took over presidency. I don't buy the excuse that the development time was too short; if the likes of Austin are expected to complete a whole Grand Prix circuit in the same time frame; these huge car makers should be able to churn out a L4 Turbo in the same time frame. The FIA has become a complete joke, stop creating rules and standards only to give in six to twelve months later to the teams...

In the past week of F1 news there has been a lot of political posturing and deal making going on. The F1 news articles "Renault Threat To Quit F1" and "PM Looks To Revive French GP" has Eric Boullier of Renault featured in both. IMO the Renault threat to leave F1 was a ploy to get French GP back on F1 calender. In article "Bernie Also Opposed To Engine Changes" he said the 4 cylinder engine doesn't sound right, but doesn't Bernie own one of the GP tracks in France. So Renault falls in line to support adopting the V6, French GP becomes a reality, Bernie makes a $hitload of money and F1 doesn't have to run weenie 4 cylinder engines. Did the IRL V6 spec engine for 2012 have any bearing on this?