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[billindenver]

I didn't create this thread. It's discussing Red Bull and Hamilton so I stated my opinion. If you're not happy with such....use the ignore option. Otherwise, quit your crying when you read that my opinion of Hamilton isn't as warm and fuzzy as yours. IF Red Bull hire him....then you can woop it up with I told you so's for as long as you wish. I won't mind a bit.

[racechick]

I didn't create this thread. It's discussing Red Bull and Hamilton so I stated my opinion. If you're not happy with such....use the ignore option. Otherwise, quit your crying when you read that my opinion of Hamilton isn't as warm and fuzzy as yours. IF Red Bull hire him....then you can woop it up with I told you so's for as long as you wish. I won't mind a bit.

Im pretty sure Hamilton wont want to go to red bull. His PR team are probably just playing the usual PR games. But dont get upset if he rejects red bull. its only busines remember.

[deMuRe]

Do you realise that Hamilton is most qualified driver that will ever sign to RedBull?

I don't think they want him or would have him to be honest. How many times...this season alone...has hamilton caused negative PR? Red Bull isn't a racing company...they are racing for PR reasons. Their money doesn't come from racing, it comes from public opinion. The team made me lie. The stewards are racists. etc etc. If you are McLaren who has been around forever and your entire business plan is based on winning....you can take a driver who delivers results but digs PR holes with his mouth. I'm just not sure Red Bull's business model would work with that way of thinking.

When did Hamilton say the team are racists?

LoL, playing the race card. Well, back in the late 80's, I think Bernie was quoted as saying "What F1 needs is a quick German, a quick Black Man and a quick Chinaman" He's almost got his jigsaw puzzle complete hehe If this is really true, then the race card is working in Hamilton's favour.

If I were Hamilton, knowing I'm one of the few fast black men in F1 and I represent a whole new market for Bernie and his partners, I would behave like a bit of a tw@t if I felt like it, because I could get away with it lol. F1 needs Hamilton more then Hamilton needs F1.

[FRAFPDD]

I didn't create this thread.

Dont remember saying you did.

It's discussing Red Bull and Hamilton so I stated my opinion

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Dont remember not listening with open ears to said opinion

If you're not happy with such....use the ignore option.

Dont remember being unhappy with what you said.

Otherwise, quit your crying when you read that my opinion of Hamilton isn't as warm and fuzzy as yours

If you bothered to read my posts youd see my opinion of Hamilton is twice as worse as yours at times.

IF Red Bull hire him....then you can woop it up with I told you so's for as long as you wish. I won't mind a bit

Hardly the point is it, plus im an adult not a petulant kid. Playground taunting is for idiots.




Would you like to address the question proposed or not? Or would you rather keep throwing strawmans in there?

[bud]

Do you realise that Hamilton is most qualified driver that will ever sign to RedBull?

I don't think they want him or would have him to be honest. How many times...this season alone...has hamilton caused negative PR? Red Bull isn't a racing company...they are racing for PR reasons. Their money doesn't come from racing, it comes from public opinion. The team made me lie. The stewards are racists. etc etc. If you are McLaren who has been around forever and your entire business plan is based on winning....you can take a driver who delivers results but digs PR holes with his mouth. I'm just not sure Red Bull's business model would work with that way of thinking.

Well Mark Webber and Seb Vettel hardly are a harmonious pair. Last year RedBull had their fair share of bad PR over team favouritism. Mark infact speaks his mind more than Lewis, its just the world seems to take notice depending on who is saying it.
And this isnt the first time Redbull and Lewis have been linked. I believe last year Horner and Marko commented on having Lewis at the team. And Lewis would fit right in with Redbull's marketing. They arent exactly targeting the good clean and proper target market. Redbull along with most energy drink companies are targeting teens to tweens with extreme sports as the main stay! Lewis also seems to have a fairly large fan base in North America a place where RedBull has its biggest market. I am sure they would love to have him for marketing, no matter what he says, if anything the comments he makes are right up their ally.

[Hammer278]

True even though i hate admitting it, Lewis appeals to the Redbull environment more than McLaren. McLaren come across as the very professional very serious racing team, unfortunately corporate robots. Boring drivers like Jenson, Heidfeld, etc are a good fit with them. Their last dream pairing was Mika and DC, both have personality and also PR savvy in their own ways.

I'd still prefer McLaren to hang on to Lewis though, he's the best there is on the grid no doubt. If he leaves to Redbull, they need to get another superstar who actually goes for the win and not cruise around the track 90% of the time.

[bud]

McLaren to their credit have tried to and succeeded in changing their image. They are more fan friendly now than they were just 5 years ago. They are more fun, ive experienced it first hand at the MTC, speaking to one of the marketers in the marketing department she was telling me their plans to address the robot image mainly from the Ron era.

Id prefer McLaren kept Lewis, I like him but if he left to get more titles then fair play to him. He wants to win if RedBull can offer than better than McLaren then being loyal wont get you wins in this business.

But As for another superstar, I am sure if Lewis were to leave they would make their move on DiResta. He beat Vetttel as team mates in F3, and has shown strong form against Sutil in his first year and has the talent to be a future champion.
He has been linked to Mercedes but who has dibs on him is hearsay, McLaren Mercedes were one entity and DiResta was on the McLaren driver program just like Lewis, but he has strong ties with Mercedes through DTM and junior open wheel categories. But strong ties with Mercedes back then meant strong ties with McLaren. It is confusing now.

[Big Azza]

Perhaps Hamilton would wipe the floor with Vettel at Red Bull, but suppose Vettel were actually up at Hamilton's level. Combine that with a Newey designed car and we could see 1988 happen all over again.

Vettel - the quickest over one lap vs Hamilton - the ballsiest racer around. They both end the season with an incident after taking 10 race wins each, the FIA disqualify both of them from the championship, and Button wins the championship without leading a lap for the entire championship!

[Hammer278]

Perhaps Hamilton would wipe the floor with Vettel at Red Bull, but suppose Vettel were actually up at Hamilton's level. Combine that with a Newey designed car and we could see 1988 happen all over again.

Vettel - the quickest over one lap vs Hamilton - the ballsiest racer around. They both end the season with an incident after taking 10 race wins each, the FIA disqualify both of them from the championship, and Button wins the championship without leading a lap for the entire championship!

Knowing Buttons luck, that wouldn't really be a pipe dream.

[texasmr2]

McLaren to their credit have tried to and succeeded in changing their image. They are more fan friendly now than they were just 5 years ago. They are more fun, ive experienced it first hand at the MTC, speaking to one of the marketers in the marketing department she was telling me their plans to address the robot image mainly from the Ron era.

Id prefer McLaren kept Lewis, I like him but if he left to get more titles then fair play to him. He wants to win if RedBull can offer than better than McLaren then being loyal wont get you wins in this business.

Well put.

[LewEngBridewell]

Taken from: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorspor ... -23226984/

LEWIS HAMILTON pleaded with his McLaren bosses to keep Britain’s Grand Prix dream team together and re-sign team-mate Jenson Button.

And ahead of today’s European Grand Prix, he gave the biggest hint yet that he himself will re-sign for the team that has been his home for 13 years – but he issued a clear warning that the decisive factor in contract talks was a winning car.

Button rubbished links with ­rivals Ferrari as “twaddle” but his contract at Woking runs out at the end of this season.

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” said Hamilton. “I’d love to race alongside him for another three years. Jenson has been fantastic. He has been very quick and competitive. His demeanour helps create a comfortable atmosphere in the team. We have more harmony in our team than in any other.”

And last night boss Martin Whitmarsh gave the first indication that is exactly what is about to happen.

He said: “Jenson has been a great member of this team, we are really fortunate with Lewis and Jenson to have two great racing drivers.

“I very much want them to be a part of this team for a long time to come.”

[Four mules as one]

I don't think the drivers are McLaren's problems. I don't see who they could replace them with that would be any faster. Personally I think McLaren's biggest problem is in the design of their car. Maybe they need to start putting pressure on these guys cause Newey is kicking their arse. Personally, when I saw the McLaren this year for the first time with those ugly sidepods I knew it wasn't going to be a dominant car like the Red Bull. There's just something about their designs since the new regulations came in in 2009 that seem to remain ugly.

[darwin dali]

I don't think the drivers are McLaren's problems. I don't see who they could replace them with that would be any faster. Personally I think McLaren's biggest problem is in the design of their car. Maybe they need to start putting pressure on these guys cause Newey is kicking their arse. Personally, when I saw the McLaren this year for the first time with those ugly sidepods I knew it wasn't going to be a dominant car like the Red Bull. There's just something about their designs since the new regulations came in in 2009 that seem to remain ugly.

A bit harsh

[bud]

I don't think the drivers are McLaren's problems. I don't see who they could replace them with that would be any faster. Personally I think McLaren's biggest problem is in the design of their car. Maybe they need to start putting pressure on these guys cause Newey is kicking their arse. Personally, when I saw the McLaren this year for the first time with those ugly sidepods I knew it wasn't going to be a dominant car like the Red Bull. There's just something about their designs since the new regulations came in in 2009 that seem to remain ugly.

the side pods are not ugly, it looks good from some angles. It's different. But these cars are not designed with aesthetics in mind are they?

[Hammer278]

Not really, but for some reason efficiency does seem to get along with good aesthetics. I remember the F2002 looked one hell of a car (I hated it since it was red) and we all know how it performed. Also, the McLaren of 2005 was perhaps one of the best McLarens I had seen, ever...and mind you this was before they began their dominance. Kimi started winning only from 5th race onwards.

When McLaren unveiled the car this year, I thought it was hideous. I even said so, but it grew on me. The Redbull simply looked liquid metal out of the box, and its proved to be the quickest. Same like Brawn, the car's lines looked so silky smooth, and it walloped the opposition.

Sometimes the eye is a good judge on how an F1 car might perform.