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[FRAFPDD]

Ok then i THINK Whitmarsh is a Button fanboy personally.

Its clear as day it was Ron Dennis that kept Lewis on the straight and narrow, and who also kept that bond between Mcalren and Lewis going.Whitmarsh was always in the background in those twos little love-in and i think hes used this chance to really get his own back, not to mention how postively miserable Whitmarsh looks when Lewis wins, compared to when Jenson does. Just the feeling i get, not to even mention the truly absurd strategy calls that had Jenson win China in 2010 when it could have been Lewis, and Jenson win Australia 2010 when it could have been Lewis.

[deMuRe]

On topic.......


I wouldnt mind if Hamilton went to Red Bull, I think it would shut the Vettel fans up for a while, and he'd be in the top car.


Not to mention Whitmarsh is clearly a Button fanboy.

I think Martin Whitmarsh is probably enjoying Jenson a lot more at the moment than he is Lewis and thats just down to their last 2 races. Jenson had a very fast third at Monaco and a win in Canada and compare that to Lewis at these 2 races. I think Jenson is fitting in perfectly with the team and is starting to rediscover his natural speed within the car, especially in the actual races. He is maturing like a fine red wine and getting better with age so well done to him. The other thing I like about Jenson is even when he missed out on challenging for the win at Monaco he was still very happy unlike some drivers who are never happy to finish 2nd or lower. Lewis, on the other hand, is in a cloud of controversy at the moment but that will end sooner or later, he just needs to put in some solid results. Look back prior to the last 2 races and he had a brilliant drive for 2nd at Barcelona. Although something tells me with the next race at Spain, the Spanish press will do everything they can to distract him from the track. With everything that is going on from the last race and also the controversy from the safety car incident last year between him and Alonso, I'd say Hamilton will be a marked man off the track next weekend from the press. Will be interesting to see how he handles it and it will reflect exactly where he is in his life at the moment maturity wise.

I've also noticed a bit of a strange phenomenon over the years to do with drivers and team mates. I've noticed that when one team mate is either out or doing badly, the other seems to get an extra burst of speed and seems to find .5 sec a lap from nowhere.

[What's Burning?]

I think Martin Whitmarsh is probably enjoying Jenson a lot more at the moment than he is Lewis and that's just down to their last 2 races.

Really? Jenson qualified 2nd en Monaco and finished 3rd if I do the math right, he lost a spot. In a circuit notoriously difficult to overtake in, Lewis having had an abysmally poor race by the standards of his supporters and his detractors, qualified 9th and finished 6th 3 spots up. Because of the unforeseen accident with Perez, His position in the race was lost on Saturday not on Sunday.

In Canada, we'll never know what kind of finish Lewis would have had would we? Coming to think of it, we'll never know what kind of finish Alonso would have had. So down to their last two races, as abysmal as the results seem on paper, I do think McLaren is enjoying their results regardless of which driver bring it in for them.

[myownalias]

Ok then i THINK Whitmarsh is a Button fanboy personally.

Its clear as day it was Ron Dennis that kept Lewis on the straight and narrow, and who also kept that bond between Mcalren and Lewis going.Whitmarsh was always in the background in those twos little love-in and i think hes used this chance to really get his own back, not to mention how postively miserable Whitmarsh looks when Lewis wins, compared to when Jenson does. Just the feeling i get, not to even mention the truly absurd strategy calls that had Jenson win China in 2010 when it could have been Lewis, and Jenson win Australia 2010 when it could have been Lewis.

Ron Dennis was clearly a Lewis Hamilton fanboy by that reckoning; Alonso/Kovalainen were left out in the cold! The two races that Jenson won in 2010 were his own calls; he was being brave in wet conditions and it paid off; it wasn't a planned McLaren strategy. I think that Martin Whitmarsh got some criticism from some quarters for hiring Jenson and feels vindicated when Jenson wins a race. I don't believe that Whitmarsh is a Jenson fanboy but it was his decision to hire Jenson where Lewis was Ron Dennis' project!

[deMuRe]

Ok then i THINK Whitmarsh is a Button fanboy personally.

Its clear as day it was Ron Dennis that kept Lewis on the straight and narrow, and who also kept that bond between Mcalren and Lewis going.Whitmarsh was always in the background in those twos little love-in and i think hes used this chance to really get his own back, not to mention how postively miserable Whitmarsh looks when Lewis wins, compared to when Jenson does. Just the feeling i get, not to even mention the truly absurd strategy calls that had Jenson win China in 2010 when it could have been Lewis, and Jenson win Australia 2010 when it could have been Lewis.

Ron Dennis was clearly a Lewis Hamilton fanboy by that reckoning; Alonso/Kovalainen were left out in the cold! The two races that Jenson won in 2010 were his own calls; he was being brave in wet conditions and it paid off; it wasn't a planned McLaren strategy. I think that Martin Whitmarsh got some criticism from some quarters for hiring Jenson and feels vindicated when Jenson wins a race. I don't believe that Whitmarsh is a Jenson fanboy but it was his decision to hire Jenson where Lewis was Ron Dennis' project!

See how happy Whitmarsh was after the race? He had a look of relief more then anything else

[FRAFPDD]

Ok then i THINK Whitmarsh is a Button fanboy personally.

Its clear as day it was Ron Dennis that kept Lewis on the straight and narrow, and who also kept that bond between Mcalren and Lewis going.Whitmarsh was always in the background in those twos little love-in and i think hes used this chance to really get his own back, not to mention how postively miserable Whitmarsh looks when Lewis wins, compared to when Jenson does. Just the feeling i get, not to even mention the truly absurd strategy calls that had Jenson win China in 2010 when it could have been Lewis, and Jenson win Australia 2010 when it could have been Lewis.

Ron Dennis was clearly a Lewis Hamilton fanboy by that reckoning; Alonso/Kovalainen were left out in the cold! The two races that Jenson won in 2010 were his own calls; he was being brave in wet conditions and it paid off; it wasn't a planned McLaren strategy. I think that Martin Whitmarsh got some criticism from some quarters for hiring Jenson and feels vindicated when Jenson wins a race. I don't believe that Whitmarsh is a Jenson fanboy but it was his decision to hire Jenson where Lewis was Ron Dennis' project!

Nobody here denies Ron Dennis is a Lewis fanboy, im just saying, i feel Whitmarsh is ten-fold the amount of a Button fan then he is a Lewis fan. That could be for a wealth of various reasons of which are totally unprovable, such is the nature of it. So theres really no point going into it, its just the impression i get, the fact Hamilton seems unsympathetic to the effort Whitmarsh made to get Lewis into Mclaren and up and running, or the fact of his recent dismissal of the team and media comments, it all adds up.

Whats this about Jensons winning? Why are we talking about that? I dont remember saying anything about undeserving wins or such, maybe your not as confident in Buttons skill as youd like to be......i am, " Buttons win- amazing"- FRAFPDD.

Yeah Kovi and Alonso were left out by RD, as such i have no problem with how Alonso acted/reacted to his treatment in 2007, but its entirely unfair to blame Hamilton, he didnt ask for it, he was favoured through Dennis' choice alone.

[f1ea]

Martin Whitmarsh is a Mclaren fanboy.

I dont think its strange that he was super happy and grinning after Canada! after all, right before the red flag he was 1 driver down and his other near the back of the field with an extra pit stop and a penalty. After his crash with Alonso he was last.......

To go from that scene to a top podium step will bring out a grin in anyone.
He would have been equally grinny had it been lewis coming back from say a penalty or last place after the button crash and then winning the race.........

[nish2280]

I think Martin Whitmarsh is probably enjoying Jenson a lot more at the moment than he is Lewis and that's just down to their last 2 races.

Really? Jenson qualified 2nd en Monaco and finished 3rd if I do the math right, he lost a spot. In a circuit notoriously difficult to overtake in, Lewis having had an abysmally poor race by the standards of his supporters and his detractors, qualified 9th and finished 6th 3 spots up. Because of the unforeseen accident with Perez, His position in the race was lost on Saturday not on Sunday.

In Canada, we'll never know what kind of finish Lewis would have had would we? Coming to think of it, we'll never know what kind of finish Alonso would have had. So down to their last two races, as abysmal as the results seem on paper, I do think McLaren is enjoying their results regardless of which driver bring it in for them.

Well technically he kinda just finished one spot up. He did smash two of the people off instead of overtaking them.

EDIT: Forgot my to imply it was a joke!

[billindenver]

I think Martin Whitmarsh is probably enjoying Jenson a lot more at the moment than he is Lewis and that's just down to their last 2 races.

Really? Jenson qualified 2nd en Monaco and finished 3rd if I do the math right, he lost a spot. In a circuit notoriously difficult to overtake in, Lewis having had an abysmally poor race by the standards of his supporters and his detractors, qualified 9th and finished 6th 3 spots up. Because of the unforeseen accident with Perez, His position in the race was lost on Saturday not on Sunday.

LOL, I love how you take the fact that Lewis qualified behind Button and finished well behind Button as meaning Lewis is better than Button. Don't get me wrong, he probably is but I'm thinking your logic in this post is highly biased towards your favorite driver. Going from 9th to 6th and using that as logic against the guy who finished ahead...seems off.

Either way, Button came from dead last to first place in Canada, in the rain...which fairly well trumps 9th to 6th any day and twice on Sunday....ya reckon?

[myownalias]

Both Lewis and Jenson are very capable drivers, very different in style, Lewis is the all out no compromise racer that ends up in hot water with the stewards, out of the race or both, Jenson tends to bide his time and rely on intelligent strategy to move up the field/win races, over the course of the season it balances out. I think that Jenson had more coming togethers in Canada than he did in the whole of last season, I believe the only coming together was with Vettel in Spa where Jenson was a passenger as Vettel dropped it into La Source! The only comparison we can make is how many points each driver has earned come the end of the season; right now Jenson is winning that battle! Anyway, this thread is about LH's possible move to RB, not a LH v JB thread!

[billindenver]

So was Red Bull eyeing Hamilton, or is he eyeing them? One party finished last season with both championships and seem a shoe in to repeat....the other has major PR problems at present, has a reputation as a hot head, puts his team down in the press whenever the mood strikes him and is plummeting backwards in points at present while his team mate surges forward in a competitive car. He also called them just a drinks company didnt he?

Hmmm...not sure I would size up the news I read of Hamilton going to Red Bulls trailer as meaning they are chasing him... I think Red Bull is content at present.

[Jabberwocky]

This all seems to be blown out of all proportions. Lewis was a bit tired and needed a "pick me up" so popped into his nearest cafine based drinks provider. I am sure that if Torro Rosso's pit was closer he would of been there instead. Plus if Mr Pro Plus had bought a team he would of been on the list.

[vaptin]

This all seems to be blown out of all proportions. Lewis was a bit tired and needed a "pick me up" so popped into his nearest cafine based drinks provider. I am sure that if Torro Rosso's pit was closer he would of been there instead. Plus if Mr Pro Plus had bought a team he would of been on the list.

At least he waited until after the race, and didn't keep his stuff on stanby unlike Kimi who probably had his ice cream and coke before he'd turned the engine off.

[FRAFPDD]

Martin Whitmarsh is a Mclaren fanboy.

I dont think its strange that he was super happy and grinning after Canada! after all, right before the red flag he was 1 driver down and his other near the back of the field with an extra pit stop and a penalty. After his crash with Alonso he was last.......

To go from that scene to a top podium step will bring out a grin in anyone.
He would have been equally grinny had it been lewis coming back from say a penalty or last place after the button crash and then winning the race.........

Thats not what im going on, im going on the f*** ups Lewis had in 2010, both cost him an almost definite race win, and who won both of the f*** up races? Jenson. Button.

And what duck up Lewis' races? Another competitor? His own exubberance? No, his teams strategy, governed by Mr Whitmarsh.

Then theres the countless other variables that i feel all add up. Im just saying, based on a whole lot more then a grin after a race.

My original point in this thread was that i dont care if Hamilton moves, as long as they give him a competitive car. Ive always wanted to see him in red and ill be damned if that never happens.

[The Ram]

RedBull NEED Lewis Hamilton soon. Vettel is just not cool enough. Lets face it, RedBull have achieved their sporting goals, which any half decent driver can do in a Newey Rocket ship. Now it is time to not only win more Championships but to rake in the dollars and hype and there is only one man on the grid that fit that bill.